From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
slewsys@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:13:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d25i3ktc.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150208001527.GA30292@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Sat, 7 Feb 2015 19:15:27 -0500")
* Eric S. Raymond:
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>:
>> More precisely, Apple intends LLVM and Clang to make GCC cease to be a
>> signal success and a reason for all sorts of companies to work on a
>> compiler that always gives users freedom.
>
> This is silly. Apple couldn't care less whether or not GCC is a success.
> What Apple needs is for a copylefted compiler not to be the *only* success.
Access to large parts of the Apple developer ecosystem now requires a
subscription. Subscription agreements can be worded in ways that put
customers in breach of the agreement if they exercise their rights
under the copyleft licenses, and the vendor is still in full
compliance with the copyleft licenses. Sure, the customer can
terminate the subscription agreement and then take the source code and
try to rebuild it, but only at the price of leaving the ecosystem.
(I think some of the game consoles actually implemented this model.)
In short, I doubt that Apple really needs a non-copyleft compiler.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-02-09 20:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-02-05 7:46 Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Andrew L. Moore
2015-02-05 8:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-05 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-06 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 12:49 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-06 18:21 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 19:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 8:46 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-07 10:18 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-07 11:42 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-07 11:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 3:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-15 22:50 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-16 5:19 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-16 16:23 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 11:21 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 14:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-09 22:07 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 23:59 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 2:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-10 3:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 8:59 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 16:41 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 3:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11 3:47 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-11 10:37 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 10:51 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-11 13:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 17:42 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-12 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 23:12 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 15:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 4:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 11:23 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-12 13:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 4:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11 7:44 ` Nicholas Allegra
2015-02-11 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 16:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 16:27 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 5:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 18:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 17:34 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 17:03 ` David Engster
2015-02-10 17:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 17:36 ` David Engster
2015-02-10 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 20:25 ` David Engster
2015-02-10 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 10:35 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 23:12 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 18:07 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 20:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 23:08 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-09 22:08 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:00 ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-07 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 22:40 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-07 23:04 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-08 0:15 ` Eric S. Raymond
2015-02-08 0:51 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 20:04 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-10 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 16:17 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-11 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 23:37 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-12 11:22 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-12 14:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 17:34 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-13 10:11 ` Tom
2015-02-13 10:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-13 10:27 ` Tom
2015-02-13 11:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-14 15:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-12 11:08 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-14 15:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-12 10:28 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-13 9:25 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:13 ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2015-02-10 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-08 3:55 ` Liang Wang
2015-02-08 9:30 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 0:04 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 8:47 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 22:07 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 23:03 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 23:09 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 16:15 ` Robin Templeton
2015-02-09 20:13 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-09 22:08 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 8:24 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 9:31 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 10:44 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 10:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 12:45 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 13:35 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 15:42 ` Yann Hodique
2015-02-10 16:11 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 10:20 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 15:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:06 ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-09 20:34 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 22:46 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 19:21 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-07 5:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-06 14:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 12:44 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-07 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 22:41 ` Richard Stallman
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