From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:19:17 +0900 Message-ID: <87d1yjx3ca.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> <20150818154857.GC2262@acm.fritz.box> <83bne4lb46.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439961596 14403 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2015 05:19:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 05:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, Yuri Khan To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 19 07:19:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRvmo-0003OR-9t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:19:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60531 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRvmn-00046u-Al for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:19:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53599) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRvmb-00046n-0f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:19:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRvma-0006YA-7l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:19:28 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:41138) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRvmV-0006VF-GF; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:19:23 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E3271C3985; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:19:18 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC65A11EF83; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:19:17 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <83bne4lb46.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" ffb5abc8dc4e XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x (barebone) [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188931 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > And once again, when all is said and done, and the [Windows-] > ported code handles Unicode characters correctly when writing to the > console, you are back at the console font problem I mentioned above: > anything outside the European locales is downright impossible, and > inside Europe you have only the ugly Lucida Console font. Not to prejudge the overall issue, as there are many users of free environments opposed to the curvely quotes, but seriously: you complain that you use non-free software and its vendor doesn't support a proposed Emacs feature?[1] Surely this should not be a consideration in Emacs development -- if Emacs features can be supported on Windows or Mac, fine, do it, but Windows or Mac lack of support for an Emacs feature is no reason to avoid installing that feature. OTOH Alan's issue about the small glyph repertoire of the Linux console is a valid concern, although the availability of capable alternative consoles weakens that particular point to some degree. Footnotes: [1] And to add insult to injury, a feature that was in part bought, paid for, and advocated by that vendor?