From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:51:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87d1weo7u9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <87io6dl0h0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com> <87oag4jk74.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2qrki45.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737xf9je9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pp0fm0j3.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3kusx8z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhb26eb9.fsf@gnu.org> <876126key3.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv1a6bfu.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445028731 30551 80.91.229.3 (16 Oct 2015 20:52:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 22:51:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnByj-0004cv-Ne for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:51:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55818 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnByi-0006px-UG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:51:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46475) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnByU-0006pj-LF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:51:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnByM-0002VU-Q1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:51:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37039) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnByM-0002VO-ND for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:51:30 -0400 Original-Received: from reverse-83.fdn.fr ([80.67.176.83]:37850 helo=pluto) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnByK-0003JA-RW; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:51:29 -0400 X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 25 =?utf-8?Q?Vend=C3=A9miaire?= an 224 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x3D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <83fv1a6bfu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 16 Oct 2015 19:11:01 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191789 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii skribis: > In any case, Emacs can never be satisfied with the current Guile > infrastructure for i18n. There are too many shortcomings, some of > them were mentioned here. Yes, Guile can be fixed to be better in > that area, but no one is working on that, AFAIK, and what's more > important, lead Guile developers don't even agree Guile should move in > that direction. (This especially puzzles me: to have a good example > before you and not follow it? Emacs learned what it has now the hard > way, have paid in blood, sweat and tears for that knowledge, and still > Guile developers think they "know better"? Present parties excluded, > of course.) My point is: Emacs can keep doing its own thing in that area. (And I would guess that neither C++, nor Lua, nor anything else would provide an i18n infrastructure that would satisfy Emacs out-of-the-box.) Ludo=E2=80=99.