From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ian Dunn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tabulated list recenter issue Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:10:33 -0400 Message-ID: <87d1chgliu.fsf@escafil> References: <87h93dogki.fsf@escafil> <87mvbm30lc.fsf@escafil> <83o9w2jh6m.fsf@gnu.org> <75f53b81-cee5-db91-3eee-3819b120ad28@gmail.com> <83lgr6jdui.fsf@gnu.org> <83efwxkd6t.fsf@gnu.org> <162c61b1-7517-761a-e00b-d1e3f75118c4@gmail.com> <83a87lk9ez.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1492045941 643 195.159.176.226 (13 Apr 2017 01:12:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:12:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.19; emacs 26.0.50 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit-Claudel , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 13 03:12:16 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cyTJ1-0008Qe-Th for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 03:12:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46830 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cyTJ6-00017A-6A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:12:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55583) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cyTIB-000170-Jb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:11:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cyTIA-0002VF-PG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:11:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cyTIA-0002VB-Ln; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:11:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [2604:6000:1010:176:da4d:3352:bae5:f50e] (port=36062 helo=escafil) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cyTIA-00033B-2S; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:11:22 -0400 In-reply-to: <83a87lk9ez.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:213923 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Btw, in addition to what I proposed, I'm also okay with changing the > default behavior globally, as long as there's an option to get the old > behavior back. The current behavior exists for the last 6 years, so > if we change it, there should be a way to get it back if someone wants > or needs that. If there are people that like the current behavior (obviously you're one of them), then I agree that my proposed changes should only be optional. My problem with the current behavior is that when sorting networks in ENWC, it appears as if many of them disappear when reversing the sort. It might be obvious that they didn't vanish, but I think of it similar to narrowing; even though it's relatively easy to notice and reverse, it may confuse new users. It makes sense to me to use a local variable set by the inheriting mode of tabulated-list-mode, similar to tabulated-list-printer or tabulated-list-format. That way, uses like ENWC with few expected entries can use the new behavior that works better for fewer entries, and uses like the Package List can retain the old behavior if desired. -- Ian Dunn