From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Windows snapshot builds Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:12:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87d0z8ttey.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <878tako2vn.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87o9j9qif0.fsf@gmx.us> <87muyq4p38.fsf@russet.org.uk> <871sfxg4gt.fsf@gmx.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523279479 14157 195.159.176.226 (9 Apr 2018 13:11:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 13:11:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Rasmus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 09 15:11:15 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WZm-0003bk-Ou for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:11:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37508 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5Wbs-0005vS-8e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:13:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54343) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WbZ-0005ny-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:13:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WbU-00041u-4s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:41071) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WbT-00040p-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:13:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LEk+SwtIpyJJ29PbjuVmq/8INkd97uvEK4W0exs0680=; b=eiOUXn3E3CsZU1fqgR1Od3+ow FDXrn4cRXleGgRdJKJdZFPCO+ojLJM1KdMvOowHNrh0pQbKO64WAtHcWu+kD3djKs/546ovO+62Mw 46JqsYWj1A5lGaLjflK+iX8Zi93kvnGbHlhrjonITuluS12Fmj5B+BpxUl8NG1apVrv6L/7sRUS8B BWC7ybU5DTGJsAxoJgzcpylI41HS3Z5ZLfcVfqVXFYMUU/qH6+CjxnHM4qCkJrYSsf14GhQeSirjj dh7Y5KszQwwDPkE7CQ5ezC6pi3NCcQk4e2a7Sx6p9E2UYaj0aSPW0Rm6ZQ/uL+s6OeLkIfJBoizRb ZPufqmV1w==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:53598 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WbQ-003kxD-VY; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:12:57 +0000 In-Reply-To: <871sfxg4gt.fsf@gmx.us> (Rasmus's message of "Mon, 02 Apr 2018 14:47:30 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224457 Archived-At: Rasmus writes: > phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: >> >> Hmmm. It's a good question. I mean, it's trivial to do, but there are >> two ways of looking at it. >> >> Currently, these files contain the build dependencies and all their >> dependencies. This, admittedly, turns out to be a pretty large >> collection of things, but still it falls short of a full msys >> install. So, one argument says we should keep to this. >> >> The other argument says, we should add stuff which is directly used by >> Emacs, and accept the fact, that we might end up with the best part of >> msys. >> >> Or we sit in the middle and install on a case-by-case basis. >> >> I'd be inclined to do with the latter one, with the knowledge that it >> might end up being two unwieldly. >> >> Thoughts from anyone else? > > If I could, I would use MSYS2 to manage programs on my work-issued Windows > PC. I am not sure the admins have experience with GNU/Linux systems in > particular and UNIX in general, and as such are reluctant to install > MSYS2. > > On the other hand, they do know that you need your favorite "IDE" if your > work involves "programming", and as such it was no issue to have Emacs > installed. The "deps" version is great because it is directly hosted by > GNU and contains mostly everything an Emacs user would need. It would > just be great to have a few more "batteries" included. I entirely appreciate the use-case. I am just thinking about whether there is a good, principled way on deciding on what to support. And, moreover, whether we can make a list of all the relevant packages upfront. That would also give me some idea of how much stuff we are going to add. It's probably not going to be significant -- the dependencies as given are already pretty extensive (including python for instance!). But it would be good to know. Phil