From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Derek Zhou Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: smalltalk-mode Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 09:05:48 +0800 Message-ID: <87d0mea1hv.fsf@mail.shannon-data.com> References: <87ef6v9f0h.fsf@mail.shannon-data.com> <83va07lzfp.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="60401"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.18; emacs 24.5.1 Cc: Holger Hans Peter Freyther , Paolo Bonzini , Wilfred Hughes , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 26 02:18:28 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h8ajU-000FYt-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 02:18:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50922 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h8ajT-0002a9-4n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45204) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h8aa8-0003cI-Q9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:08:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h8aXe-0003dL-9F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:06:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.shannon-data.com ([116.236.169.22]:58780) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h8aXU-0003VW-LB; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:06:05 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost.shannon-data.com ([::1]:45972 helo=mail.shannon-data.com) by mail.shannon-data.com with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h8aXF-0003Wm-7m; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 09:05:49 +0800 In-reply-to: <83va07lzfp.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 116.236.169.22 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:09:41 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234735 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Derek Zhou >> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:59:10 +0800 >> >> smalltalk-mode is the emacs editing mode for GNU smalltalk. Attached is >> the version copied verbatim from GNU smalltalk current git HEAD, last >> commit is: >> commit 8141da457870e24b0e04684213637b7c4435a2a5 >> Author: Wilfred Hughes >> Date: Wed Nov 29 21:22:34 2017 +0000 >> >> GNU smalltalk itself is copyrighted by FSF, so I think it is qualified >> to be included in the ELPA. If the format need changing please let me >> know. >> > > Not sure what this all means from the legal POV. Lately, Richard > asked us to make sure people who contribute code to ELPA and have > copyright assignments for Emacs to say clearly that they contribute > the code for Emacs, in order for the assignment to be effective. > > OTOH, you are saying this is part of GNU Smalltalk, which has separate > assignments. > > On the third hand, I'm not sure who should be the author of the > commit, should we decide to put this on ELPA. > > Richard, can you please advise? > > Thanmks. GNU Smalltalk was maintained by Paolo Bonzini until around 2012, then he passed the torch to Holger Hans Peter Freyther . The smalltalk mode was originally written by Steve Byrne whose email I cannot find. Various people made changes along the way, including Paolo. Latest commit to the file was done by Wilfred Hughes . I put all 3 people on the CC: list to comment. I am not a lawyer, but this code is owned by FSF, just like emacs itself. I don't see how it can be a legal problem to move changes from one pocket to the other. All authors already gave up their copyright by the original assignment. We can ask again and I am pretty sure all authors will be thrilled to have a broader audience for the free software they created. Derek