From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tabs Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 00:33:47 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87d0f0couc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <20191008160038.6xvnytnoruzphzd6@Ergus> <83zhibw6qn.fsf@gnu.org> <20191008164048.bnad4wdkcbatqepp@Ergus> <83v9szw4o4.fsf@gnu.org> <20191008234350.ahxt4zcylxqludoc@Ergus> <837e5ewc0a.fsf@gnu.org> <20191009103936.qjdwuidqnowswojw@Ergus> <83wodeup6a.fsf@gnu.org> <20191009120534.ud6st2xvrv3rv6iy@Ergus> <83o8yqumdl.fsf@gnu.org> <20191009135539.c2i6ob52td6p34ab@Ergus> <83k19euhic.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g1bl4y.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83zhi9rqcb.fsf@gnu.org> <877e5cmdpk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83wodbprja.fsf@gnu.org> <87lftp1szr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834l0dm93u.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7a4e5i2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83wod8jqsd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="219562"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 13 23:34:58 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iJlVx-000uxu-RX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:34:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42592 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJlVw-00084C-NE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 17:34:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47404) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJlVc-00083y-DB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 17:34:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJlVb-0000WK-8m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 17:34:36 -0400 Original-Received: from camel.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.29]:3020) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJlVZ-0000RH-Jx; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 17:34:33 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF419600A25; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-14-204.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.14.204]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 75807600CC4; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:34:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:34:30 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Wiry-Snatch: 14729db51715d796_1571002470766_1616085109 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1571002470766:979090881 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1571002470766 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F797F1DD; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:34:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=1h80ljubDDP8UUok4RVRX/W5HlE=; b= bj9O51SyVnRy6Y/2CZ/LhIfnEIpalRgFvDsRlc/8PvoQCd04KRZ4yqHsjlc0+p9d 5d5CCfZb2jpNo+IMwfv0LD8O3nxFxQmT8AXljXNunfrTcOg/LKOMMJPwUz4/2uhq mRIgYMQ7o/rNb7uvBSVI6CLuF4oejdvlYkm+/axoWCE= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-105-34.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.105.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 162AC7F167; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:34:22 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a36 In-Reply-To: <83wod8jqsd.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 14 Oct 2019 00:09:54 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 23.83.209.29 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:240990 Archived-At: >> >> Only GTK+ has an external tool-bar >> > >> > I think NS has an external tool bar as well, no? >> >> NS has an external tool bar and no tab bar, > > But that's temporary, at least we hope so, right? Right, we need to find a macOS developer who likes tabs enough to implement NS tab-bar :-) >> so its default value is nil. > > Why not make it identical to GTK? Because then I don't know how to explain in the docstring why NS has the default value 'tab-bar-lines'. This is how the docstring would look in this case: In GTK+ and NS that use the external tool bar, the default value is \\='(tab-bar-lines) which means that adding/removing a tab bar does not change the frame height.