From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:26:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87d087i8wh.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <8wXYP4GY9hwW-9mYv6_LGMETZ8Vz3Ob1Bec6yh6kPT7yxjTkxA3V6dXY4ELra9tYiJUxJmgXKSIEX4w8HFiPRoeGVSQHDSoBVy1voj1e3Qo=@protonmail.com> <83y2qwdmnd.fsf@gnu.org> <13c86abd-a622-d03d-638b-2d82b0896559@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="51999"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit-Claudel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 16 20:28:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jP9FB-000DOA-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:28:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37974 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jP9FA-0003n7-3u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44261) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jP9EI-0003Hl-Sw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:27:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jP9EE-0006u1-SX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:27:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:40146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jP9EE-0006qs-LK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15B4E65AD; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:27:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dvJz1fDpmbry; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:26:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (jeden09-dwa27.echostar.pl [213.156.109.227]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 81C15E6367; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:26:58 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <13c86abd-a622-d03d-638b-2d82b0896559@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247114 Archived-At: On 2020-04-16, at 18:27, Cl=C3=A9ment Pit-Claudel w= rote: > My personal config has the tool bar turned off. Same here, though I would not force that to new users. (Recommend, perhaps.) Interestingly, I am almost sure that the toolbar was turned off by default when I started using Emacs (v18 or 19, I don't remember). IIRC, when after some upgrade the toolbar appeared, I turned it off at once. Does that seem possible or is my memory wrong? OTOH, I learned Emacs by first using the tutorial and then reading most of the manual, so I probably have a rather atypical history wrt that. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl