From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247457 Archived-At: chad writes: > As Eli said, Electron is covered by an MIT license. It describes itself with this sentence: > > Build cross-platform desktop apps with JavaScript, HTML, and CSS. > > It accomplishes this by uses Node.js, a JavaScript runtime built on > the V8 javascript engine of Chrome. Each Electron app comes with its > own integrated copy of Chromium (the "free" parts of Google's Chrome > web browser, released under a combination of 3-clause > BSD, MIT, [L]GPL, and MS's Shared Source licenses). Without > intensional malice, I'd call it a Frankenstein's monster of both code > and license. > > Its major features are (in my personal opinion): Google invests effort > into making it function well across major platforms, it's "free > enough" that it can be used by various open, free, and commercial > projects, and it lets people make "desktop apps" using the > widely-known web stack of JavaScript, HTML, and CSS. It can use native code via > Node's analog of an FFI. This combination is so widely spread and > optimized at this point that it's possible to get decent performance > alongside gui, threaded, network, etc. code. It also has a reputation > for being fairly bloated, in large part because each Electron app > brings its own copy of chromium, V8, node, etc. Similarly, Electron > apps are rarely well-integrated into a particular OS, since they're > mostly WWW technology; whether this bothers users or not is currently > a shifting topic, as ever more new users are used to using web-based > tech for much of their computer needs. Electron has freedom issues. (https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1167)