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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247573 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Etc., etc. I invite you to put yourself in the shows of a newcomer to > Org, and try to imagine how such a newcomer will be able to realize > that Org can be used as a word-processor... > > So please don't be surprised that Richard thinks about this what he > thinks. +1. I used Emacs for a long time, but I didn't adopt Org until a long time after its release (2013, 14 or so) or so, and even then the manual was showing its age.