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[78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l20sm4272187wrh.82.2020.12.16.08.18.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 16 Dec 2020 08:18:35 -0800 (PST) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <83y2hx91u1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:01:58 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::435; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x435.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261014 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:14:45 +0100 >>=20 >> And perhaps there should be some menu to toggle the tool bar/scroll bars >> on/off? That might be there already somewhere, but not in the menu >> where it would make sense -- the Options menu... > > It's under Options->Show/Hide. Should we take this opportunity to either auto-save config changes made via the menus, or put a big red button somewhere saying 'click here to save settings', or prompt the user to save them when exiting? Robert (I=CA=BCve never really liked the toolbar enable/disable menu. How many gui applications these days let you put the toolbar anywhere other than at the top?)