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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264483 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:35:46 +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: Lars> Robert Pluim writes: >> ~/.../archives/emacs-bugs >> $ grep '^In.*pc-linux-gnu' 2018-* 2019-* 2020-*|grep -i 'motif'|wc -l >> 3 >>=20 >> So it=CA=BCs ~80% GTK, 16% Lucid, and Motif can be removed. Lars> Thanks for the analysis, and I agree that if we're going to remove Lars> anything Motif seems like the obvious candidate here. Lars> One possible thing to take into consideration: Are there any syst= ems Lars> (that we care about) where Motif is the only toolkit solution ava= ilable? All of the motif builds in that time interval were on Gnu/Linux. And isn=CA=BCt lucid available everywhere as a fall-back? Robert