From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Current mode command discovery Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:44:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87czwtiadm.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87v9aubm96.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1laomak.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgzxlgvo.fsf@gnus.org> <83im6lxwnt.fsf@gnu.org> <87blcdjuce.fsf@gnus.org> <83eeh9xsim.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="942"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 21 18:47:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDsow-00006b-Sv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:47:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60852 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDsov-0008NH-ND for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:47:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDsmW-0007BW-FJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:44:32 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:55960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDsmS-0004L3-3f; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:44:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/nhT10T7kLBhb+YtxORrniCB9Hi4vAuCOuiQKGL7Wzc=; b=UdqfIaYroHst6S9D/zyGT4ztj2 sGrWMnZwV1Py4Y12w6UDy2lO1v5133i1RnU1wnwVk6S/Jon24+obZ2HfzV1x8IZQbMglalJdWAsfa oY/NGhGXSFgnOeK88yfhYYutIxnZrEfMhL+OH++DVtf0vq7cBsGDUZez8+9zaCZpP1G8=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDsmN-0002jX-9I; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:44:25 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEVSRlj01duxb3bk rK/++vv///8ckvcFAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+UCFREoMYY9s4sAAAGnSURBVDjLdZPt dcMgDEVdZwIKAyT2AhZiAYr2n6lPEobQ0+hHYnStjyfhbfvfvj749zIfj+cbeIj/H9OWCJxPCpEp cHa2vxycTEkkSTWiOS1ihz8AqAVmBtiTAfiDdBBiRK5dHIQwImAZvjRAJwaeI2Kmqh4BHReaUrCm AvhxkEZxdIxRKUC3txtaqoGXbA0lpl8tQkiRrW4HIcMbqABJNnmehGfWKjVFCE/x2gXg0vlhQidG lfDPFK8vgHo9qOqEUCmYjJCuh4Lvx5CHnDrhdL0UtJPiXUL0N6Z8dtB0U5CAt/OBnAakIgIgU0Ia FM8vyWyAiRGAMywz3pAYFDTGEM4MNaYaRjoKAzgeqh+F30Dl4mftyAQFlACQWHTTzEWkkfqFHLTi ScjXZPfIQCWfNi3Dn2COvt6AZbWPIHQgcV2tlBu0FdQ0QPFVd1f7C0LyhbW7XamlF/WUcYJVGg0g KygzYhHiHbhA7lfTBLUREW0VzT5m0uM9XV9FZaz3xINfJQX4ImytzLgHaJFtJw7YdmW8UewAivUC jK+DYumgJp4EG25FO/4FhDDQhxFm/CIAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMDItMjFUMTc6 NDA6NDkrMDA6MDBUI9oQAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTAyLTIxVDE3OjQwOjQ5KzAw OjAwJX5irAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Ryuichi Sakamoto's _Hidari Ude No Yume (1)_: "Venezia" In-Reply-To: <83eeh9xsim.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:03:29 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265413 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Hm... that's certainly a wrinkle here. On the other hand, >> `C-h f digit-argument' would work as always. > > Is "C-h x" the only command to use this, in addition to M-x? I don't know. > "C-h x" is a command we introduced for newbies, and then we proceed > confusing them with commands that cannot be shown with "C-h x"? is > that reasonable and consistent? Filtering away `undefined' and `ignore' from completions for newbies sounds like a good idea to me: They aren't commands that can be used in `M-x'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no