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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266831 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > I guess this is a misunderstanding coming from: > > Perhaps the doc string of `RET' (i.e., `newline-and-indent' in most > modes) should mention (and link to) to `C-o'? > > RET is supposed to be bound to `newline` by default, pretty > much everywhere. There are many modes which still bind RET to > `newline-and-indent`, but that's a historical accident that we should > fix because it disregards the user's choice to enable or disable > `electric-indent(-local)-mode`. And I had a (global-set-key "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent) at 3% in my .emacs file, which makes about 15 years old, I think, and I had no idea that it was there. > The docstring of `newline` (the thing bound to RET by default, AFAIC) > does include the line above, AFAICT. I don't see a string need for > `newline-and-indent` to point to something else (like `open-line`) since > this is a command which should basically never be bound except by an > explicit choice of the end-user. This end user had no recollection of doing so, so I think it still makes sense to point to `C-o' here. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no