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* Re: Gitlab Migration
@ 2021-09-03 15:29 Simon Pugnet
  2021-09-03 16:59 ` Could Emacs Have a Set-up Wizard? Stefan Kangas
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Simon Pugnet @ 2021-09-03 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Kangas
  Cc: Philip K., danflscr, Richard Stallman, Emacs developers,
	Stefan Monnier, Dmitry Gutov, Eli Zaretskii, Lars Ingebrigtsen,
	John Yates

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Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> > We have previously discussed extending the concept of a "theme", which
>> > is currently basically just visual.  I think the way forward here is to
>> > allow people to create opinionated views on how Emacs should work (from
>> > keystrokes on up to basically...  anything), and include these in Emacs.
>> >
>> > New users, when starting Emacs, would then be able to choose between,
>> > say, five of these mega-themes on the start-up screen by just clicking
>> > them.
>>
>> Sure, SGTM.  I hope such themes will be developed and added to Emacs.
>> That's one way of having several opt-in changes in behavior that can
>> be turned on and off with a single command.
>
> I agree.  I have proposed to name such themes "profiles" in the past, see e.g.:
>
>     https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-04/msg02032.html

Hi all,

I'm not sure if this is of interest but I just thought I'd throw this
into the discussion:
https://blog.polaris64.net/post/could-emacs-have-a-set-up-wizard/.

I thought about a "wizard" which would help newcomers to choose from a
set of profiles in a simple manner, and this blog post details a little
proof-of-concept I came up with. The idea was that it would keep out of
the way as much as possible so that existing users could easily ignore
it or disable the entry on the splash screen if necessary, however it
would still be prominent enough for newcomers to see it.

Best regards,
Simon

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* Re: Could Emacs Have a Set-up Wizard?
@ 2021-09-04 14:53 Simon Pugnet
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Simon Pugnet @ 2021-09-04 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Daniel Fleischer; +Cc: emacs-devel

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Daniel Fleischer <danflscr@gmail.com> writes:

> My opinion is that we shouldn't expect an input from the user; the user
> is an Emacs-beginner and she activates the "easy-start/contemporary"
> profile and that's it.  Our goal should be (IMO) to have the user use
> Emacs for a day, and then a week and then a month.
>
> We're too much inside the Emacs paradigm so we want to introduce
> customization into the first interaction of any beginner user but I
> think it's not the right way of lowering the bar for new users who
> choose to use these profiles.

Yes that's true, sometimes it can be easy to forget what it's like to be
an absolute beginner.

> Of course the profile will be documented and hopefully the user will
> learn the meaning of the decisions made in the profile.

I think it's good to show the user what configuration is generated and
to tell them where it's saved, but it should be easy for the to click
"OK" on that and then just get on with using Emacs and not having to
think about configuration again. That way those who just want to use
Emacs will be able to do so and those who are more interested in what
else it can do will have a starting point for further customisation.

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