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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274586 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Would you please show me the actual text which strikes you as "extorsion" > or "trying to extract compromises"? If it is text in some other part of > that site, I'd like to see it and think about it. >From the README file on that page (which requires JavaScript to be displayed, I think): > Isn't this xemacs all over again? > Ah, but if it could reach those heights. If by some miracle it did, the > choices for the FSF are the same as before: enlist RMS to embark on a > coding frenzy that achieves feature parity, grant myself commit rights, > or continue not noticing me. If my history of user acquisition is any > indication, the last outcome is most likely. Perhaps I chose the word 'extorsion' poorly, but if so could anyone tell me a better word for "demanding commit rights"? I think my grasp of the English language is not always as good as I think it is. Thanks.