From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confusing doc string of list-or-string at point Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 22:44:37 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87czoz3wm2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <83a6k3uspt.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfxv2p4e.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <835yururh3.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pvuqfh.fsf@gnu.org> <87tuibyxzd.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83y27nt9ny.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7959"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 23 21:46:33 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mTUfw-0001vR-5u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 21:46:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57986 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTUfu-0002Ol-L5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:46:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45670) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTUfC-0001ge-Jr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:45:46 -0400 Original-Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:28387) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTUf9-0003Ko-3o; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:45:46 -0400 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32AB9240005; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:45:37 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83y27nt9ny.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 23 Sep 2021 21:43:29 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.193; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay1-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275368 Archived-At: >> > It looks like it prefers the innermost thing, whether it's a list or a >> > string. Is that correct? If so, why/when/where is this kind of >> > "thing" useful in practice? >> >> It's useful to just click inside either a list or string, >> and choose "Select>List" or "Select>String" from the context menu, >> and it will select the right thing, either a list when clicked inside list, >> or string when clicked inside a string. > > But the same can happen with a list/string enclosed within a defun, or > a word enclosed withing a string or a list. Do we also need > defun-or-string or list-or-string-or-word or any other combinations? An alternative would be to add a new thing-at-point target 'string' instead of 'list-or-string'. But since there is no such function as 'up-string' that would work like 'up-list' but only to go out of the enclosing string and not out of a list, so what remains to do is to use 'up-list' with the non-nil arg NO-SYNTAX-CROSSING, therefore the new target 'list-or-string'.