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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284306 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 17:40:05 +0800, Po Lu said: Po> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>> How about ignoring all of that, and asking the user where to save his >>> customizations when he tries to save them for the first time? >> How do you define "the first time", exactly? >> Users can use several different systems and/or user accounts. Some of >> them start a session and keep it running for long times, others start >> very short sessions for specific jobs, then exit Emacs. A user could >> start Emacs for the first time in his/her life, or he/she could be a >> veteran Emacs users with many customizations. The definition of the >> "first time" should reasonably support all of these use patterns, and >> possibly others as well. Po> I think it can be reasonably assumed to be the "first time" if there is Po> no custom file already set, and no custom-set-variables form in the init Po> file. And custom-set-faces. If we do it that way, I (and other old grouches like me) can ignore this issue until I decide to do something about it. Robert --