From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [nongnu] main 74116339a8 2/3: * elpa-packages (anzu): New package Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 09:10:43 +0000 Message-ID: <87czkot7jg.fsf@posteo.net> References: <164145738158.2838.5769558384331859964@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220106082302.0A19CC0DA1E@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87k0fdmbat.fsf@posteo.net> <87tueh3s2x.fsf@posteo.net> <87mtjvd10u.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19523"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 19 16:39:01 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nAD36-0004qm-Hy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 16:39:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38986 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nAD35-000422-E3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 10:38:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33516) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nACWi-0000oi-3y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 10:05:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:47969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nACWf-00089H-44 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 10:05:31 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D5B6240107 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 16:05:26 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1642604726; bh=fWu5U0UKAP1EhTaJHJU+n5h5Sbjv99MiPljlo6VijJ8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Autocrypt:From; b=TCXHwt4egbdB7YW7/G2Aatw+wgDEpLa9n0Ln1G2PqwSlXdPcs+Hm8RTx3u/xdf3k7 gzbhRBC85qIGrL9PSLUj2ZV/a5mNrUMCMum0OfmPy1naKnYdpuz6PB/UoycauoyTa+ P8erwLfcr/8Mh4LjPrh43hYPezY/FtPd9tdo0Z9Hcx0N9VjP0tj+MbZWh+ZdWVbbnZ b7T1grTRyRw0zwTIzBRwT9dx+DvUevXR+21dpDUOG8ky34UYYz32a+jM999aUXSysu WJse2rn2FxFUM0wbU8lQR3HLotTUuWcFKDaYgj918QQaa1lwwkSCc0GOxNBihNewdF ydUlvDyl5huZA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Jf88P2mPHz6tmx; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 16:05:25 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Mon, 17 Jan 2022 10:37:45 +0300") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284988 Archived-At: I agree with all of this, but this seems to imply that some sort of identification would be necessary (I would guess automatised, using some kind of public key cryptography, instead of manually with accounts). Jean Louis writes: >> > I also think we should have a "rating" system in place, which should >> > also somehow include information on which version/date the user rated >> > the package in. >> >> Would also be nice. > > While it is good idea, it would be good to add the care of genuity of > such ratings. > > If such rating system goes over HTTP anonymously and without > registration, that opens door to false statistics, thus false reports. > > It is good to have genuine rating system that would tell something > about background of the rating. > > If such rating is automated then full description of the rating system > in simple English shall be provided. > > Let me give the example of what I think is false report based on > download count on melpa.org domain, that is similar to ratings > system. It gives download count. > >> dash, A modern list library for Emacs, 20210826.1149, github, download >> count being 3,951,288 > > That line alone is vague to its meanings: > > - I am asking myself, was the version 20210826.1149 downloaded > 3,951,288 times? > > - or was that the total download count for all versions? > > - then I am pretty sure that "dash" is not a package users would > download manually, rather automatically > > - it appears most popular package by download count, while it is > probably not well mentioned package among people in their written > and verbal communication; > > Thus ratings method in ELPA shall be described in public for people to > understand the background. -- Philip Kaludercic