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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293856 Archived-At: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > At least from my experience, using C++ can make it a lot easier to > structure large code bases, and thus make them more easily comprehendable. > Independently of what one thinks about the language itself :-). > > But maybe I'm biased because I've been using C++ in commercial settings > a lot, in large projects, and for a very long time. I'd be interested to > hear what other contributors think about this. I think the exact opposite, mainly because I've been using C (as opposed to C++) in similar settings, also with large projects. Haven't we already discussed this many times in the past?