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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295992 Archived-At: On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 at 13:53, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> So I'd rather keep "generalized variable", long and unwieldy as it is. >> I think we should avoid "place" as much as possible, though. > > Including "place form"? > > Michael. FWIW, I learned Lisp on the street and I don't think the meaning of =E2=80=9Cgeneralized variable=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cplace=E2=80=9D is especi= ally hard to guess. It may not be obvious for the uninitiated, but there are worse pitfalls. Perhaps =E2=80=9Ceverybody=E2=80=9D learns what an l-value is in their comp= ilers class, but I find that term pretty opaque.