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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298245 Archived-At: Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> How about "hack on the package sources and add new features to share >> with others"? > > Honestly? The term "new features" has become the central mantra of all > modern "agile" software (read: "shit"). With free software, we can have > a more mature approach. > > One might want to hack on a package to learn from it. Or to discuss it > with a friend. Or to add some tests. Or simply to have fun! > > (If I had to pick two verbs for the sentence, I would go with "hack" and > "share". No "new features" needed.) I have no strong opinions on the specific phrasing, as I am not convinced that "new features" is anything more than a descriptive term. But if you prefer it, we can change it to "hack on packages and share your changes with others". >> Hmm, I see what you mean but I don't know if this is a good idea in >> general when using `package-update-all' to have a log buffer pop up >> for every package. > > I imagine a list of packages, similar to 'list-packages', e.g. > > | Package | Current | New | Details | Description=20 > |---------------+---------+-------+------------------|------------------ > | [[ vertico ]] | 0.27 | 0.28 | [[ 17 changes ]] | VERTical Inte... > | [[ magit ]] | 3.2.1 | 3.3.0 | [[ 80 changes ]] | A Git porcela... > > where [[ ... ]] denotes a button. > > A single click on the "17 changes" button would then open the version > control log with the 17 commits between Vertico 0.27 and 0.28, Emacs > experience! I am uncertain if vc would allow for such a thing to be inspected right now. I'd like to be able to get package-vc into a functional state before Emacs 29 is cut off, so I would consider this at a later point. > Rudy