From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-29 acd462b0306: ; Improve the use-package manual Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 16:30:54 +0000 Message-ID: <87cz8rgr0h.fsf@posteo.net> References: <167059642832.4265.15913417645926264658@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20221209143348.961DEC0E4CA@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21430"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , John Wiegley To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 10 17:31:58 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p42la-0005N5-Nu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 17:31:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p42kt-0005ko-Jb; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:31:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p42kd-0005i8-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:31:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p42kb-0000Qd-Oh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:30:59 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE308240027 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 17:30:52 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1670689852; bh=mUZhfU7ZeU8klfPcHMngbjMxzScEMhB/x5eVr/L68ZA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=Ct3PyE0uFzzt4lArBISN50Tk/MIrcailV7krkOoBgIMY6ukybTy5chIf0nC1pHCgn nucCxMqf8L4gSBMT7e1QMB9c7bELJy7z515nJKFLQW0UtCMc99rw7zAI0mnqTj6xHa 5yLXZ2p9wK42OTrdThm7KUVbZm3sCdi50N5XbC6wjMJ7IYCctGoeGZgxws2iSMCSo6 5uE2y6y1pvad+g+2X5x8sU1eOIwcLaR8BVrHByuuU18spsZ298L6h57jINS43zsGca f0IAAB44PoDB2hXDUWmp68kMj/IFonHrqhCKFdoG4cOYYlwwMjotRC8f9ZQoUjjEqC wggIFZiQ9Sq+g== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NTtfz5Q5kz9rxP; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 17:30:51 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:20:14 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301121 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > It would be nice to try and evolve `use-package` towards a default > behavior that's more aligned with current best practices rather than > what was done back when installing a package meant reading the > "Commentary:" section and copying a chunk of ELisp code into your > init file. Is this possible without breaking the backwards compatibility? It would also be nice to have user options like 'use-package-always-defer' enabled by default, but that will certainly break a number of configurations.