From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unifying "foo-mode"s and "foo-ts-mode"s Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 00:13:03 +0000 Message-ID: <87cz8077n4.fsf@posteo.net> References: <877cyagmti.fsf@posteo.net> <831qoi85u7.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt76f4n4.fsf@posteo.net> <83sfgy6l0n.fsf@gnu.org> <877cy9b1k0.fsf_-_@posteo.net> <87wn69oy1c.fsf@thornhill.no> <87edsh9gzn.fsf@posteo.net> <87tu1dowpp.fsf@thornhill.no> <87o7rl7x4i.fsf@posteo.net> <83tu1c6got.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgb47uk8.fsf@posteo.net> <83o7rk6eyz.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7rk7snd.fsf@posteo.net> <83ilhs6cuq.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37216"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: theo@thornhill.no, emacs-devel@gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 31 01:13:28 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pBPVA-0009Xw-2e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 01:13:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBPUp-0002gD-9u; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:13:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBPUm-0002dz-UO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:13:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBPUj-0000lE-Oz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:13:03 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9222A240208 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 01:12:58 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1672445578; bh=A3FtDDWqRzzSI16kALX1BQ5hkpl4kJV9DXuRR5e/7Nc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=c7NG1CdduGguAU8sjKK/w3HWwjmxxOAGSAUbVu5E6JM4H1s2lZ9ZyeDv1BCix3RXW M3sdwQXEvSdlniara9oWsE8d8IB5rtlMSRdHwDMfPrSOASR0y5KvSpqnAs3tmvn+9a a7VWPW4Wyz0YfPrcKFfUyXpHHLDU9Isas24AUrgh1Sf25Ue6DbOxJqSyBA8HckQX9M +WnnHSbHEqJQDZ7Ccwr3RzDY3/d915H5PNWYhdJiLYQduzBXcsBiJY2GcTqFNN7elI FfE7yR6dP0daGuKiRDy03RpIFq+QbvBHy/GqSdHNOe16LaoJtq01sf0HyeZVqymofa LiaT+DmlwgsHg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NkMyy0bskz9rxB; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 01:12:58 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83ilhs6cuq.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:05:49 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302143 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: theo@thornhill.no, emacs-devel@gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com >> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 16:39:18 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > I don't understand the question. We provide to users _features_, not >> > their implementations in terms of files and variables/functions. So >> > the symbols *-ts-mode are here to stay, and are not experimental >> > demonstrations in any sense of that term, but what they do under the >> > hood is up to us. >> >> That answers my question. The point is whether the usage of ...-ts-mode >> major modes is recommended or provided with a "we reserve the right to >> change anything"-like caveat, so one shouldn't rely too much on their >> public interface. > > I guess it depends on who "one" is for this purpose. Which code wants > to rely on these symbols, and why? Both emacs-internal packages and external packages that depend on Emacs 29.