From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 19:38:05 +0800 Message-ID: <87cz1mxvc2.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <83edmask4z.fsf@gnu.org> <5c02371a-3c42-de66-70b7-4ed0d88cc3fa@gutov.dev> <834jn159vs.fsf@gnu.org> <831qi23bif.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzvuy2e7.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfai1nq6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9548"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 23 13:39:19 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qCf8J-0002Ft-7Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 13:39:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCf7T-0003K2-Dr; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 07:38:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCf7M-0003Js-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 07:38:20 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic312-23.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.191.204]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCf7L-0004eS-5x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 07:38:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1687520296; bh=m3pcjXSD0M8ujYvW8HgC8B+FdJ37qJzIsRcnoHZ4LcA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=WjZbiEolehrLyyum5jWHIxkAX1EHipGWfUkFNV7DgT/4F33mxC8Ftc45UP1zG/fej5LasPf8veO0+D8fq4LudkxWyE2IdsCSJJ+vqKI5AF1rdEJya8j9gixdqzbxhDtLL2zjgj2hzgHc1ZZZ5l9CyKAixgAzQkPciFY7PuNjc+7DxH0iSzZGFMtE3QIHXNxgzX/7+Futfmgevkx76HCDyqGj/gQheuraGFaMs3ZSf+RYne3Oq3dVyu2HTFrCz5+WdmFbn1EjPy17+D1jQtu3xcXHnAR64iWdIPZMwwGUaW9n7q8d8UUJz6chR0thm+AVu4FvSvpUHnh3Xf4NtHriuA== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1687520296; bh=g9ysRc1Xe0Mq9icTb+FsQeNYsn/xE/Sk8Z5eenlPopj=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=U27wqUwrPqAkLW4snrh//Bk4cQnv8wLQT5G65yGS8p7bz4ZTZeleCr9lUioPiEz5dcwfeD7UaE0TdG671p296mu8XdcfvPh5ZA/3lMN9U95JK1C3aAlOC54bu3n7I8Aecbj6gpcjEv1UHXsmleVcv4eTdFSbEDR6F6g7d+PK0ohAUAsB7S50o1W5fZH0yz6mxQ/pM/fVteXwmKGUzin7wSo7jiz8bGI1kRauGs8pjBVosZqKtJg5r80W6hR+kgCIF5cYh2nXyB2I8yvKUg4VorVlBcgSCsa078v0HHygo9DmpQ1pG0uX20GMdUQo4gK430F+cJF3/zhhSq1+rlFbZA== X-YMail-OSG: Oav0jEwVM1k7T.0aAINF2T3mRxTS.iSK_g8me7azMSmU.ZUlL9JoMQPWSI5Z7Do cL0LMyf8Fb0K376_7N5Ba.VjhTzcgFLUci6aoxPH6o6zoOLz.Mxueb3y2HkZAlhYL.5_sZ9BlHtE 6cwdsZo0ejHQLBLFP2huj_UGeWVkbnGsSqQpRYUgRbIYNpwnwndyV3GlGqJw7FXR4475STSWRFbX jpERSO.zcG4B3rMn750pgCFYURkXqZ0hYXuLePWl_UNQTrXzzz3HiOlqlBW80wBnV4eH75yNwJCq aj7l8fttsG.Z0Oi08W1QT72tgICxpN0NdxNK4EO_2rZo1gmAbcpAYPUbnWWNG2gBOTP55MRxtS8g hD2lIcOR7n5Gv6arFKaqV1eqrolBODLDAd0PEAl5PlVKEnjkFyXqX_bC14izrtZQoO6Nymob2Yep txrSS3G5vQrq5CgX4qfAP8hXRXs0XwqAY9IXlSHbYBuQWmOgjjCGIxg8SLfQ.uGKwE5dvvicO844 .a3ByypVXYDtT.eojiBPwa.COgCmCw4jgrjDX8FowmcjYflveNF_AWQLV3cwUc75Tq0hjk4IZdeP 0Lnc2zUAY3BB6U3I_.5QF3_57HB7XyKW8DIYQ.Kh.Z6yIT1wFeQtK_.RCgLc_yTl.N.1G4JHhpUJ kv.dECThZu8Koqg6eqjjgp78LCJmXDuL.IkcheRi0R6acWka3n45rzBo8hdpQXCaVSm0mqvKzzbt shLxoH3MorhmhzhyA4po_WE864l2T8rYQpu.hGaKEOnmMrx51fONfloowannQ0z0F0KNJUkyq1ZH YXTEgDOsbcWQBbeph7C63UecyXxCegc95RGOHFEO1X X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: 50a9c571-a471-4649-9898-9249b661a590 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:38:16 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--production-sg3-748897c457-drfql (Yahoo Inc. Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6ea2adc1b6a6d2fdd8097d237959e08a; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:38:10 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83sfai1nq6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 23 Jun 2023 13:23:29 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21557 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.191.204; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic312-23.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307157 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > You are not answering any of the questions I raised. Well, I've been reiterating the same stuff over and over, because you've been doing the same thing. We just don't agree on these issues, which is why I asked Richard, a third party, to intervene. > It is not useful to reiterate stuff you or others already wrote. It > doesn't advance this discussion, which is basically stagnant in the > same spot from the first moment I started it. No one took the issues > I raise seriously. Which may mean I'm imagining difficulties where > there are none, or it may mean no one here wants to look at this issue > through the eyes of project management. I think that in the eyes of most people (me included), the downsides of releasing Emacs with a port that is broken is negligible, if the port itself is so unimportant that nobody steps up to fix it before the release is made. So, in fact, this is very much an imaginary issue: either it will get fixed, or it will be broken -- and I've been trying hard to make sure it won't be broken. This is how most free software treats ports to systems that aren't considered important, and is the only proven way to remain portable while development is being undertaken by volunteers. Thanks.