From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Benjamin Riefenstahl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: : Re: Moving point after character when clicking latter half of it Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 20:21:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87cz0xgfdc.fsf@turtle-trading.net> References: <2255158.iZASKD2KPV@silef> <87jzv9mf5s.fsf@turtle-trading.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18415"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Moritz Maxeiner , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 12 20:23:06 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qJeUT-0004bg-VS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 20:23:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qJeTT-0001TP-EL; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:22:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qJeTL-0001RQ-Q7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:21:56 -0400 Original-Received: from odoacer.turtle-trading.net ([93.241.193.16]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qJeTH-0005E2-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:21:54 -0400 Original-Received: from zenobia.turtle-trading.net ([192.168.2.111]) by odoacer.turtle-trading.net with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1qJeT1-0003m3-OO; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 20:21:35 +0200 Original-Received: from benny by zenobia.turtle-trading.net with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qJeT1-0009MV-2G; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 20:21:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 9 Jul 2023 15:15:02 +0000") Received-SPF: none client-ip=93.241.193.16; envelope-from=benny@turtle-trading.net; helo=odoacer.turtle-trading.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307793 Archived-At: Hi all, benny writes: >> Interesting, I never tested that before. It explains why I am so >> often missing the first character when I try to copy text with the >> mouse. IOW I personally find this an anti-feature. Drew Adams writes: > I can imagine editing text with a very large font > (I use larger fonts as time goes by...), I think, displays have higher resolutions than they used to, so smaller fonts become more readable, which means more use of smaller fonts. I guess I'm clumsy, but I often have a hard time hitting the right character at all, now it seems I am expected to hit the correct half of the character? And no, aiming at the previous character or "between them" is not intuitive for me, I want the character I see before me, I click on that one. Also often there is no character before the one I am aiming at. Of course things get even worse with touchpads or touch screens like on the phone. There seems to be a tension, like Eli alluded to, between placing the cursor, where this behaviour may sound useful, and starting to mark a selection, where it is problematic for me. These two should in theory behave the same (because every drag starts as a downclick), but as explained I find the usability doubtful. Add to that that it is usually simple to correct the cursor position with the keyboard, but that does not go for correcting the selection. Or maybe I just do not know how. I am not opposed to people to have the option of course. Just wondering why. benny