From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:29:14 +0000 Message-ID: <87cyz61cbp.fsf@localhost> References: <83msyemjx8.fsf@gnu.org> <871qfpoij6.fsf@gnu.org> <87fs45ivyo.fsf@localhost> <87h6okga15.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22091"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 29 10:29:53 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qau6i-0005Zk-P8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 10:29:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qau5k-000241-A3; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 04:28:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qau5h-00023a-HY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 04:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qau5d-00089V-W1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 04:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1701240101 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 10:28:43 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1693297723; bh=fTZYAKCdGtwS85/Z+4Uyq+h9DkUnoh1Zdvj8kWG2MbE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=ky6UNY9YRZUL6VQSqEvbt9oC5ncSbOWI1hTtF6dp6p5q+3U5A8KKgTxPTInrdptQb 1KtUeIcEBYhjHm3dsNe1INJXpbu8bRoh1KPd6VsE2V00ApzX8kiqSDqatL5kS1WdFJ 2J+d2RsR/OJL69PhylIkBdOic2Noz3yPwM0n06xFbnAKL+XwZWwN0IjC6Fmi7Dffcx fgigbOCBu/13rkr6YT784FQArNTRO29VTKzBQh3kYCyxmFzrsXRIy8XqvLvzu41K4z 18u8PMT/1xPb3zEr3QlFXBfblo9y6Wzkzg3Uiv2X21WWdbSVsFkbzMcbHc4owYmy3T f1llDJ9/1cCEQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RZgYl1Grtz9rxL; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 10:28:42 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309480 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > > That syntax would do the job, but they are more clumsy than the syntax > > > used by Texinfo: @WHATEVER and @end WHATEVER. In order for a modified > > > Org mode syntax to be a step up, it should look as clean as Texinfo. > > > > > > Might it be posisble to simplify the syntax that Org would use for > > > this? > > > I am not convinced that it is necessary. > > I won't claim it is _necessary_, but it would sure make these constructs > more convenient. Maybe. But also more confusing. In org, we can have #+begin_src latex ... #+end_src latex or #+begin_export latex ... #+end_export or #+begin_example latex ... #+end_example or #+begin: name ... #+end: If we add simplified syntax like #+latex ... #+end latex or, less consistently with the rest of Org @latex ... @end latex it is actually not very intuitive that such construct implies export, but not something else. In addition, we already have #+latex: latex one-liner as a simple form, limited to a single line that avoids #+begin_export latex latex one-liner #+end_export -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at