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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Question about copy-region-as-kill
Date: 07 Apr 2002 15:53:09 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bscwc84q.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1018157567.1186.15.camel@space-ghost>

Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org> writes:
> My point is that in this case overlays aren't being used for
> their primary purpose: specificity to the current buffer.  

I don't think the concept of a `primary purpose' is all that useful,
since it's rather objective; the original reason may be different that
current thinking, and one person's view may differ from another's.

From my point of view, the _most_ important thing about overlays is that
they are distinct objects that are distinct from the text, and interact
with text properties and other overlays.

This gives them certain advantages:  an overlay can be quickly and
easily be moved or removed as a unit, possibly affecting many individual
properties; you can discover where a certain property came from, and
find other properties in the same overlay (even if they are otherwise
hidden by other overlays); you can have `layers' of properties that
interact.

However most of attributes are _disadvantages_ in many cases, where you
really just want to attach properties to the text; for such cases, text
properties are much more straightforward and easy to understand.

Not surprisingly, the particular advantages of overlays are most useful
for very dynamic properties (e.g. a highlighted region) that (surprise)
`overlay' the text.  [for this reason, it doesn't seem particularly
useful to have overlays be copyable like text properties; in my
experience overlays are often referred chiefly by an external reference
(e.g., a buffer-local variable).

> What I am trying to show is that the distinction between text
> properties and overlays is arbitrary.  Or at least it certainly has
> been in my experience.

I think you're quite wrong.

-Miles
-- 
`...the Soviet Union was sliding in to an economic collapse so comprehensive
 that in the end its factories produced not goods but bads: finished products
 less valuable than the raw materials they were made from.'  [The Economist]

  reply	other threads:[~2002-04-07  6:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-03 23:23 Question about copy-region-as-kill John Wiegley
2002-04-05  6:02 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-05 21:39   ` John Wiegley
2002-04-06  7:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-06  8:21       ` John Wiegley
2002-04-06 10:29         ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-06 17:46           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-06 18:05             ` Alex Schroeder
2002-04-07 18:50               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-08  1:23                 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-06 18:30             ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-06 23:03               ` Alan Shutko
2002-04-07  7:42                 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-08 15:53                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-08 21:21                     ` John Wiegley
2002-04-09  9:31                       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-09 11:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-09 10:23                           ` Miles Bader
2002-04-09 13:05                             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-09 13:24                               ` Miles Bader
2002-04-09 14:42                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-10 14:24                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-10 14:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-10 16:27                           ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-11 14:53                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-11 16:27                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-12 19:49                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-12 10:36                               ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-04-09 15:26                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-09 21:28                         ` John Wiegley
2002-04-07  3:56               ` Tak Ota
2002-04-06 15:05         ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-06 17:32     ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-06 20:38       ` John Wiegley
2002-04-06 23:03         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-04-07  0:12           ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07  0:56             ` Miles Bader
2002-04-07  2:53               ` John Wiegley
2002-04-07  4:44                 ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07  4:58                   ` Miles Bader
2002-04-07  5:32                     ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07  6:53                       ` Miles Bader [this message]
2002-04-07  7:46                         ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07  8:18                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-04-07 12:20                           ` Miles Bader
2002-04-08  3:09                             ` Colin Walters
2002-04-08  6:18                               ` Miles Bader
2002-04-09 22:04                                 ` Colin Walters
2002-04-10 20:17                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-09 12:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-09 22:12                                 ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07  6:36                   ` John Wiegley
2002-04-07  6:55                     ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07 23:42                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-08  3:14                     ` Colin Walters
2002-04-09 12:07                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-09 22:06                         ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07  4:41               ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07  4:58                 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-07  5:43                   ` Colin Walters
2002-04-07 10:52         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-06 17:43     ` Kai Großjohann

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