From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Emacs support for Indic scripts -- First National Indic-Font Workshop March 2003 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:05:24 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87brzgeovv.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049832511 19751 80.91.224.249 (8 Apr 2003 20:08:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 08 22:08:29 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 192zOP-00058P-00 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:08:29 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 192zSY-0001Kf-00 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:12:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 192zOC-0002g1-00 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:08:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 192zNf-0002QD-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:07:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 192zNH-0001kl-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:07:27 -0400 Original-Received: from isp247n.hispeed.ch ([62.2.95.247] helo=smtp.hispeed.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 192zLT-0000ko-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:05:27 -0400 Original-Received: from confusibombus.gnu.org (dclient217-162-234-20.hispeed.ch [217.162.234.20])h38K5OU2027369 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:05:24 +0200 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAYAAABXAvmHAAACkElEQVR42s1a0bLsIAgzjv// y7kPd9pVKxKVdk6fzux2C4EAwR6QZBpcQEopIf3Fq3a52Lfh0Mjjk99zcWYBwA2ihEen9jVxfAf/ u0+Y2HQwNoVw4Dx34trRV6NSjiLPmfPt77jwiBxB/3PnZ3B2AGxzHnGu0wcBwAIAyQwZGvQhiFcy YLOFQcSB/MS82n3ec37vykNqRFTX9rVWR2U5+pZNIggll0CUOQN9BDdm1LfBmcZxIEqjL6r2JU/D galaB7Zg4jlY2ulnIx9OR4iMRl38CAFyKaA8jAxE7lNn650VKMULZ/54crqn0YQCJGQliebXkFIK hwqmGm28cgsSjz/hzRCMneQEwMjVoH3gWTtMPgIslJUV5uIluvUEkyzU+gUGQO62e9NuSdZCzNOM fDPC87iCqfE9gHinsIrSL16TPBfrYIeHzqKU90a50jCh54EcrgAUFo5ibzvebgr/I66USQ0CspQp IVSoBQK3WswDDIndIraHxoglqOjM1d044PQvu1NY0EHtqQR/XwJ+PeCs0x2dSlApZVw4MPER23PD 7JekoHxrqTRod/2Gx5nhx5dfAJhqPt7tDMIZxNN/7lOIaparPn7ZQ88drlORC2eLWXowxIq4gHTh VN1BSmsHoxYAbPWDTuGQuuecS+aYQUYpfr0YqPQOuuUk5tApK077+2xfOYP+XyWEIwPcE49lvT9N y2+wU2KylGGp4yxlALcm6fSlmgk62yfSsfNunDl5d6W91MBUoZw679YAJoMMkhijuXdFOL+khaL2 s+g3zy4APQuQvSc/BNAYnkl6E8ivYtEHJXa1dihE3zgnKMdNgN8DiIwgA17NykUMvFDQ+LALvXXI BuBLAHv/DvBmc/0HzR03PqXmLcQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13044 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13044 I've recently joined a mailing list with lots of people from South Asia on it. What is the general direction of Emacs support for these South Asian languages when it comes to fonts and and input methods? If I hear something interesting that might be of interest to Emacs, do I post it here? Is there some other, specific Emacs (Mule?) mailing list? Alex. To: bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com From: Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:31:32 +0530 Subject: [bytesforall_readers] Action points First National Indic-Font Workshop March 2003 Reply-To: bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com Hi Bytesforall Readers, Recently First National Indic-Font workshop, was held in Bangalore on Indic font issues. The actions points of the workshop are shared here with the group. People/organisations who are interested to voluntarily join Regional Language Groups being formed and contribute towards development of Indic-Computing are welcome. Please see below various groups as of now. regards vijay Action points First National Indic-Font Workshop March 2003 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya First National Indic-Font workshop, organized by Indic-Computing Consortium was held from 28th to 30th March 2003 at PES Institute of Technology, Bangalore. The Indic-Computing Consortium is an initiative of software developers, businesses and academic institutions to evolve appropriate standards, resources and technologies for the Indic-Computing community. The Indic-Computing Consortium is designed as a national-level participatory organisation that serves as a common forum for discussion, information exchange and advocacy on behalf of all parties interested in the development of Indic Language Computing. The workshop second in series was attended by 36 participants from various languages & technology groups across India, Nepal & Bangladesh. This workshop was an outcome of deliberation held in the first Indic-Computing workshop held in September 2002 at Bangalore. One of the working groups formed at the first Indic-Computing workshop was for development of OTF (OpenType Fonts) & other font related issues, encoding, language standardization and representation in international consortium. One of the action point and agenda for the group was to Hold OTF training workshop for developing major Indic language OTF fonts. The idea was to get the community together for: i. Developing good look fonts ii. Development of open source tools for rendering and hinting of OTF fonts (currently OTF development uses proprietary tools) iii. Finding font developers for all Indian languages and coordinating group for each language iv. Making available fonts to be converted to OTF The workshop addressed above issues and others as enclosed in the workshop program (please see the website), through presentations, discussions & Lab/training sessions over three days. This was the first workshop on the subject, while it focused on OTF, it equally shared concerns of open standards community and talks, demos and training sessions of open source tools, as well as various alternative technologies for Indic fonts were done by some of the participants. The copyright/patent issue on OTF was also discussed, and concerns of community were answered by Mr. Lawrence Liang, (Expert on Cyber Laws) with a caution that the topic is debatable and much would be clear after the pending case of Adobe in USA courts is decided. Summary of Three days: The three days of deliberations included: 1) Introduction to Indic scripts, Character set, tools & Glyph Design, Testing glyphs, was given Ravi Pande, Font Designer, who dealt in depth on design of glyphs and generating of fonts & on font formats. 2) Encoding & PfaEdit sessions were taken by Karunakar G, Project Leader IndLinux.org, Pramod R of Mahiti & Asmita S. Khobragade of HBCSE. Karunakar further elaborated on why OTF hold the answer to some of the problems of developers as of now. 3) Dr. U B Pavanaja of Vishva Kannada Softech, discussed the OTF issues and described the standards, Open Type Tables and VOLT. The use of VOLT to develop OTF was demonstrated; during Lab participants used VOLT to get a hands on experience of the tool. 4) Arun M of FSF, demonstrated localized Knoppix in Malayalam and also discussed on the issues in Malayalam fonts and display of some special characters. 5) Amar Gurung, Director, Nepali Font Standardization Project of Madan Puraskar Pustakalaya [MPP], Kathmandu, Nepal, shared the problems in standardizing Nepali Font the developments done this far. He shared a CD on the project status and the work done (The CD content is now part of workshop CD distributed to the participants) 6) Mustafa Jabbar, of Ananda Computers, Dhaka, Bangladesh shared his work of 15 years in Bangla (Bengali) fonts. He claimed that a low cost software application Bijoy which his company has developed has covered 95% of market in Bangladesh and is much famous in West Bengal, India also. He has also designed the Bangla keyboard that is now a default keyboard standard for Bangla. 7) Karunakar took sessions on TTX & talked about issues in fonts on Linux while Dr. Pavanaja showed digital signing of fonts. Aditya Gokhale of CDAC, took session on hinting of fonts. 8) Nagarjuna G of HBCSE, shared his experience of converting TTF fonts offered by Akruti to OTF and shared his experiments in using available open source tools to achieve good results. 9) IPR (cyber laws) lawyer Lawrence Liang of Alternate Law Forum, discussed the crucial and much debated issue of OTF openness (copyright/Patent) after understanding the Adobe & Microsoft agreement on release of the fonts. While answering concerns of community Lawrence cautioned that the topic is debatable and much would be clear after the pending case of Adobe in USA courts is decided. Conclusion: At the end of the workshop its was proposed to take up the issues that have emerged at more depth through regional consultations on each language so that focused attention is their and local & regional groups also get chance to participate and discuss there issues. We propose to take up these Regional Language Workshops in future across different parts of India, Nepal & Bangladesh and other regions with languages of Indic origin. These workshops would be coordinated by regional language groups (see proposed group) and would include training programs and technology demonstration sessions besides getting the language community together. Regional Language Working Groups: It was proposed to take up the initiative for having these regional workshops through voluntary and community efforts. An individual commitment on part of participants was requested to involve there energy in development of these regional groups and also to discuss with these respective organization to release atleast two fonts in each language in open domain. Many participants gave the commitment to take the initiative and also to get their organization involved in the initiative. The following Regional Working Groups are proposed (to be confirmed), these groups would take initiative and involve other regional partners and build common understanding of major issues to be discussed in the Regional Workshops. A framework for proposed Regional Workshop would be circulated soon for feedback and action by these groups. We invite volunteers who would take upon to hold these workshops and provide coordination & logistics support and sponsors to contribute to development of regional languages. The Indic-Computing Consortium would provide necessary technical support and capacity building to these regional groups. Hindi Ravi Kant, Sarai, New Delhi, Maryivan, Sarai, New Delhi Niyam Bhusan, New Delhi Alok Kumar, Infosys, Bangalore, Karnataka S K Anand, Akruti (Cyberscape Multimedia), Osama Mazar, 4Cplus, New Delhi, Sanjay Gupta, 4Cplus, New Delhi, Kannada Dr. U B Pavanaja, Vishva Kannada Softech, Bangalore PES Institute of Technology, Bangalore, Karnataka Central Institute of Indian Languages, Mysore C.V. Srinatha Sastry, KGP, Bangalore, Arun Sharma Bhupesh Koli, BharateeyaOO.o Team, NCST (National Centre for Software Technology), Bangalore, Shikha G Pillai, BharateeyaOO.o Team, NCST (National Centre for Software Technology), Bangalore, Abhas Abhinav, DeepRoot Linux, Bangalore, Sunil Abraham, Mahiti, Bangalore, Pramod R, Mahiti, Bangalore, Punjabi Niyam Bhusan, New Delhi Janmeja Johl, Ludhiana, Punjab Osama Mazar, 4Cplus, New Delhi, Sanjay Gupta, 4Cplus, New Delhi, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri & Persian Pritam Nahar, Reality Information Systems, Pune, Maharastra Dr. Tarique Sani ?? Pakistan  LUG, GLUG ?? Mahesh Kulkarni, CDAC, Pune, Maharastra Aditya Gokhale, CDAC, Pune, Maharastra Santosh R, CDAC, Pune, Maharastra Ravi Nankarji, CDAC, Pune, Maharastra Bengali/Bangala, Assamese & Manipuri Mustafa Jabbar, Ananda Computers, Dhaka, Bangladesh Sayamindu Dasgupta, LUG, Kolkatta, Zaheed Hossain, Ananda Computers, Kolkatta, Ravi Kant, Sarai, New Delhi, Bangladesh group of Tani Ahmed, ?? Marathi & Konkani Nagarjuna G, Homi Bhaba Center for Science & Education, Mumbai Sunil J. Shetty, Modular Infotech, Pune, Mohan Jadav, Modular Infotech, Pune, Prakash Advani, Netcore, Mumbai, G. Karunakar, Netcore, Mumbai, Ravi Pande, Pune, Asmita S. Khobragade, Homi Bhaba Center for Science & Education, Mumbai Frederick Noronha, Bytesforall, Goa Kanti Jadia, Micropro Software Solutions, Pune Tamil K. Viveka Nathan, TeNet, IIT Madras, Chennai R. Murugapandian, Sudharsanam Centre for Arts & Culture, Pudukkottai, Tamil Nadu Manoj R Annadurai, Chennai Kavigal, Dr. V. Venkataramanan, ?? International Forum for Information Technology in Tamil, http://www.infitt.org/ Telugu Kiran Chandra, Jana Vignana Vedika, (Prajashakti Daily), Hyderabad, Atul Negi, University of Hyderabad, Hyderabad Rajasekharan, NISC India, Hyderabad, Gujarati R. K. Dave, G.A.D, Government of Gujarat, Gandhi Nagar, Bhavin Choksi, CRAnTI Technologies, Ahmedabad Ramesh Patel, SRISTI, Ahmedabad Malayalam Rajkumar S, FSF, Trivendram, Arun M, FSF, Trivendram, Osama Mazar, 4Cplus, New Delhi, Sanjay Gupta, 4Cplus, New Delhi, Nepali Amar Gurung, Nepali Font Standardization Project, Madan Puraskar Pustakalaya [MPP], Kathmandu, Nepal, Pawan Chitrakar, Kathmandu, Nepal, Oriya Sashikant, NIIT, Sambhalpur, Orissa, Sanskrit Alok Kumar, Infosys, Bangalore, Karnataka