From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.cc-mode.general Subject: Re: cc-langs.el Date: 30 Aug 2003 08:17:34 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87bru8caup.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <5bekzd29w7.fsf@lister.roxen.com> <5b7k547aov.fsf@lister.roxen.com> <5b1xv83wlr.fsf@lister.roxen.com> <5bfzjmgi2q.fsf@lister.roxen.com> <3F4FA043.7080602@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1062205602 12685 80.91.224.253 (30 Aug 2003 01:06:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cc-mode-help@lists.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 30 03:06:40 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19suCO-000594-00 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 03:06:40 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19suJy-0000ek-00 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 03:14:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19su7K-0007cF-TJ for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:01:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19stTy-0007tS-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:20:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19stTP-00071C-Tf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:20:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19stSu-0006J8-AH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:19:40 -0400 Original-Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19stTZ-0008HI-00 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:20:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from sea.gmane.org ([80.91.224.252]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ssVX-0007vl-00 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:18:19 +0200 Original-Received: from news by sea.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ssUr-0000rp-00 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:17:37 +0200 Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16200 gmane.emacs.cc-mode.general:775 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16200 Kevin Rodgers writes: > The Common Lisp functions have a well-specified interface, and adding > new functions (vs. modifying existing functions) should not affect > Emacs' behavior. What's to think about? _Emacs lisp is not common lisp_. That means that however worthy these functions are (and I know they are -- remember, I'm a common-lisp _fan_*), you can't just plop them into elisp wholesale, you've got at least look at them, and how they fit into elisp, and make decisions; interfaces and functions that are right for common-lisp are not necessarily right for elisp. For a lot of functions, that takes a fair amount of time. I realize that for sanity's sake, it would be best to use the same (or at least very similar) interfaces for elisp functions as their common-lisp counterparts, but none-the-less, you can't just plop. -Miles * Personally I'd love it if emacs used common-lisp instead of elisp. But it doesn't. -- We are all lying in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. -Oscar Wilde