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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: using libmagic in Emacs?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:50:13 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bpmb5bsq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zl9vgovc.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii writes:

 > > I think the main interface should be just "file-magic", even if it's
 > > not in file.el.  It's analogous to "file-attributes", etc.
 > 
 > Actually, I think the interface should be `file-type' or some such.

Seriously, "file-type" is a terrible, ambiguous name.  DOS vs. Unix,
the extension of the file's name (!!), what program uses it, text
vs. binary, MIME type, endianness of the platform, Unicode vs. legacy
coding, copyleft vs. permissive vs. proprietary vs. public domain, I
could go on.  Sure, it's about "files", but the "type" is what file(1)
infers from magic numbers in the file, no more and no less ... and
exactly the people you expect to say "huh?" will proceed to guess
anything but the truth about the semantics of `file-type'.

 > Like `file-attributes' that is a wrapper for `stat', the API name
 > should have a good semantic value, instead of just inheriting the name
 > of the low-level C functions it uses to do the job.

`file-magic' does have a good semantic value.  It means "look at the
first few bytes of a file and infer various metadata about it, based
on a published database of 'magic numbers'."  It tells not only the
purpose but the exact semantics.

I suppose the more explicit `file-type-by-magic' might be better.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-20  4:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-18 18:35 using libmagic in Emacs? joakim
2009-08-18 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-18 20:01   ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-18 20:35     ` joakim
2009-08-18 21:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-19  2:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-19  3:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-19 13:47             ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-19 15:57               ` joakim
2009-08-19 19:46               ` next bugfix release? [was: Re: using libmagic in Emacs?] Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-19 21:06                 ` next bugfix release? Chong Yidong
2009-08-19 21:53                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-19 22:56                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-08-19 23:16                     ` Nick Roberts
2009-08-20  9:02                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-20 11:19                         ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-20 15:13                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-08-20 15:47                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-19 19:05             ` installing features on trunk (was: using libmagic in Emacs?) Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 18:59               ` Bidi support Stefan Monnier
2009-08-21 20:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-22  3:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  8:18                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-22  5:39                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-22  7:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24  1:45                   ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24  3:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24  7:17                       ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24  3:25                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-19  0:57   ` using libmagic in Emacs? Juri Linkov
2009-08-20  3:42     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-22 23:36       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-24  0:07         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-24  0:17           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-24  7:33             ` joakim
2009-08-25  2:08             ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-25  2:19               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-25  5:09                 ` joakim
2009-08-25 13:27                 ` James Cloos
2009-08-25 21:41                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-08-25 17:36               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-25 20:37               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29 23:19               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-30  3:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-30 20:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31  2:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-31 16:17                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31 17:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-01 12:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-01 16:12                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01 21:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-03 19:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-04  7:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31  3:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31 15:03                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-31 16:19                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31 23:47                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01  3:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-01  5:37                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01 12:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-25 20:36           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-19 22:49   ` joakim
2009-08-19 23:20     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-20  1:03     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20  3:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-20  4:50         ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2009-08-20 18:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21  0:19             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20 18:32         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 19:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  5:03             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-23  1:03               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-20 13:57     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-20 19:19       ` joakim
2009-08-20 22:08         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-21  9:55           ` joakim
2009-08-21 11:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 17:38               ` joakim
2009-08-21 17:46                 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-08-21 18:31                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-21 19:13                   ` Drew Adams
2009-08-21 18:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 21:48                   ` joakim
2009-08-21 22:46                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-22 20:18                       ` joakim
2009-08-22 23:13                         ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-23 23:38                           ` joakim
2009-08-24  3:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24 12:30                               ` joakim
2009-08-23  3:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 19:18               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-21 13:19             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-20 18:32     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-20 20:27       ` Reiner Steib
2009-08-21 14:08         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 19:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28  0:27 ` Language identification (was: using libmagic in Emacs) Juri Linkov
2009-08-28  4:58   ` Language identification Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28  9:00     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 14:56       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29  4:11         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 14:21           ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-29  0:46       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29  4:13         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 15:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29 16:27             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 19:16     ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29  1:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-30 16:01         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29 20:20       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29 22:48         ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31  3:32           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31  8:42             ` David Kastrup
2009-08-31  8:59             ` Jan D.
2009-08-31  3:33           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-28  6:45   ` Alex Ott
2009-08-28  6:46   ` Alex Ott
2009-08-28 19:08     ` Juri Linkov

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