From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Selection changes Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: <87bpa6vkbk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87ocea2ax1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4C40FCEC.9030404@harpegolden.net> <87pqym2a4r.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4C411552.40003@harpegolden.net> <87eif2n7d7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <878w5a23ax.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279338603 20959 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2010 03:50:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, David De La Harpe Golden To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 17 05:50:02 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZyPZ-0004KS-92 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:50:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45882 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZyPY-0002MB-OZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:50:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58996 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZyPT-0002M6-J6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:49:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZyPS-0007I8-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.79]:36447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZyPQ-0007Ho-3i; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:49:52 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014221.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o6H3npkE002690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:49:51 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7F325C013; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:49:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <878w5a23ax.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:30:14 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127479 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > I don't like things that make selections magic depending on how they > were selected; it just makes the interface more confusing and > discourages people from learning new commands. > > A selection should be a selection, to the greatest extent possible > (there are some exceptions, like shift-selections auto-deselecting, but > that's much less confusing because it's an immediate and visually > obvious effect, and fits people's shift-select muscle-memory). A valid point. We can give the current system a shot; if ordinary active regions grabbing the primary selection turns out not to be a nuisance in practice, that is fine.