greek-style quotes for greek input method?

greek-style quotes for greek input method?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

Greek books use a different set of quotes from the normal English
"double" or ``double'' quotes.  The default "el" input method of XKB and
my Gnome desktop maps these special greek-style quotes to the ";<" and
";>" input strings.  So when I switch to the Gnome-greek input method by
typing Alt-Shift I can type this text

    EL:  Ελληνικό κείμενο με   «εισαγωγικά».
    EN:  Greek    text    with «quotes».

by typing the greek-style quotes as ";<" and ";>" respectively.

The `greek' input method of Emacs supports most of the diacritic marks
with the following special key sequences:

    KEY SEQUENCE
    ------------
    You can also input more characters by the following key sequences:
    key char  [type a key sequence to insert the corresponding character]
    --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ----
    :I  Ϊ    :i  ϊ    ;A  Ά    ;H  Ή    ;O  Ό    ;Y  Ύ    ;e  έ    ;i  ί    ;v  ώ    :;i ΐ    ;:i ΐ
    :Y  Ϋ    :y  ϋ    ;E  Έ    ;I  Ί    ;V  Ώ    ;a  ά    ;h  ή    ;o  ό    ;y  ύ    :;y ΰ    ;:y ΰ

It would be nice if it also supported ;< and ;> for greek-style quotes
but I don't know how to do this using the current sources of the file
`emacs/trunk/leim/quail/greek.el'.

Does anyone feel like showing me how to do this, or even patching
`quail/greek.el' directly?

The mapping that we could use from input text to Unicode character of
the greek-style quotes would be:

    (";<" "«")
    (";>" "»")

Re: greek-style quotes for greek input method?

[Kenichi Handa]

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In article <87r5i9dye9.fsf@kobe.laptop>, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:

> Greek books use a different set of quotes from the normal English
> "double" or ``double'' quotes.  The default "el" input method of XKB and
> my Gnome desktop maps these special greek-style quotes to the ";<" and
> ";>" input strings.  So when I switch to the Gnome-greek input method by
> typing Alt-Shift I can type this text
[...]
> It would be nice if it also supported ;< and ;> for greek-style quotes
> but I don't know how to do this using the current sources of the file
> `emacs/trunk/leim/quail/greek.el'.

> Does anyone feel like showing me how to do this, or even patching
> `quail/greek.el' directly?

> The mapping that we could use from input text to Unicode character of
> the greek-style quotes would be:

>     (";<" "^[,A+^[(B")
>     (";>" "^[,A;^[(B")

It seems reasonable to add that rules.
I've just committed the attached patch to emacs-23 branch.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

=== modified file 'leim/quail/greek.el'
--- leim/quail/greek.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ leim/quail/greek.el	2010-08-09 02:26:29 +0000
@@ -1279,7 +1279,9 @@
  (";:i" ?^[$(D&v^[(B)
  (":;i" ?^[$(D&v^[(B)
  (";:y" ?^[$(D&{^[(B)
- (":;y" ?^[$(D&{^[(B))
+ (":;y" ?^[$(D&{^[(B)
+ (";<" "^[,A+^[(B")
+ (";>" "^[,A;^[(B"))
 
 (quail-define-package
  "greek-postfix" "GreekPost" "^[$B&7^[(B" nil

Re: greek-style quotes for greek input method?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:36:35 +0900, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:
>In article <87r5i9dye9.fsf@kobe.laptop>, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:
>> Greek books use a different set of quotes from the normal English
>> "double" or ``double'' quotes.  The default "el" input method of XKB and
>> my Gnome desktop maps these special greek-style quotes to the ";<" and
>> ";>" input strings.  So when I switch to the Gnome-greek input method by
>> typing Alt-Shift I can type this text
> [...]
>> It would be nice if it also supported ;< and ;> for greek-style quotes
>> but I don't know how to do this using the current sources of the file
>> `emacs/trunk/leim/quail/greek.el'.
>
>> Does anyone feel like showing me how to do this, or even patching
>> `quail/greek.el' directly?
>
>> The mapping that we could use from input text to Unicode character of
>> the greek-style quotes would be:
>
>>     (";<" "«")
>>     (";>" "»")
>
> It seems reasonable to add that rules.
> I've just committed the attached patch to emacs-23 branch.

> === modified file 'leim/quail/greek.el'
> --- leim/quail/greek.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
> +++ leim/quail/greek.el	2010-08-09 02:26:29 +0000
> @@ -1279,7 +1279,9 @@
>   (";:i" ?ΐ)
>   (":;i" ?ΐ)
>   (";:y" ?ΰ)
> - (":;y" ?ΰ))
> + (":;y" ?ΰ)
> + (";<" "«")
> + (";>" "»"))
>
>  (quail-define-package
>   "greek-postfix" "GreekPost" "Ψ" nil

Thanks!

Should we also modify the greek-postfix rules to include "<;" and ">;"
for the same?

Re: greek-style quotes for greek input method?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:53:45 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:36:35 +0900, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:
>>In article <87r5i9dye9.fsf@kobe.laptop>, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:
>>> The mapping that we could use from input text to Unicode character of
>>> the greek-style quotes would be:
>>
>>>     (";<" "«")
>>>     (";>" "»")
>>
>> It seems reasonable to add that rules.
>> I've just committed the attached patch to emacs-23 branch.
>
>> === modified file 'leim/quail/greek.el'
>> --- leim/quail/greek.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
>> +++ leim/quail/greek.el	2010-08-09 02:26:29 +0000
>> @@ -1279,7 +1279,9 @@
>>   (";:i" ?ΐ)
>>   (":;i" ?ΐ)
>>   (";:y" ?ΰ)
>> - (":;y" ?ΰ))
>> + (":;y" ?ΰ)
>> + (";<" "«")
>> + (";>" "»"))
>>
>>  (quail-define-package
>>   "greek-postfix" "GreekPost" "Ψ" nil
>
> Thanks!
>
> Should we also modify the greek-postfix rules to include "<;" and ">;"
> for the same?

Something like this perhaps?

%%%
diff -r 8be8f7b37e26 leim/quail/greek.el
--- a/leim/quail/greek.el	Fri Apr 03 03:02:01 2009 +0300
+++ b/leim/quail/greek.el	Mon Aug 09 09:55:26 2010 +0300
@@ -1279,7 +1279,9 @@ e.g.
  (";:i" ?ΐ)
  (":;i" ?ΐ)
  (";:y" ?ΰ)
- (":;y" ?ΰ))
+ (":;y" ?ΰ)
+ (";<" ?«)
+ (";>" ?»))
 
 (quail-define-package
  "greek-postfix" "GreekPost" "Ψ" nil
@@ -1419,7 +1421,9 @@ e.g.
  ("i:;" ?ΐ)
  ("i;:" ?ΐ)
  ("y:;" ?ΰ)
- ("y;:" ?ΰ))
+ ("y;:" ?ΰ)
+ ("<;" ?«)
+ (">;" ?»))
 
 
 ;; arch-tag: 2a37e042-db1b-4ecf-b755-117775a3c150
%%%

Re: greek-style quotes for greek input method?

[Kenichi Handa]

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In article <87d3ts5l1u.fsf@kobe.laptop>, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:

> > Should we also modify the greek-postfix rules to include "<;" and ">;"
> > for the same?

> Something like this perhaps?
[...]
>  (quail-define-package
>   "greek-postfix" "GreekPost" "^[$B&7^[(B" nil
> @@ -1419,7 +1421,9 @@ e.g.
>   ("i:;" ?^[$(D&v^[(B)
>   ("i;:" ?^[$(D&v^[(B)
>   ("y:;" ?^[$(D&{^[(B)
> - ("y;:" ?^[$(D&{^[(B))
> + ("y;:" ?^[$(D&{^[(B)
> + ("<;" ?^[,A+^[(B)
> + (">;" ?^[,A;^[(B))
 
I'm not sure.  In many Latin prefix methods, "~<" is used
for "^[,A+^[(B", but in Latin prefix methods, "<<" is used for "^[,A+^[(B".
It seems that this asymmetricness has some meaning.  Isn't
it more convenient also for greek-postfix to use "<<"
provided that there's no standard for it.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: greek-style quotes for greek input method?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:03:18 +0900, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:
> In article <87d3ts5l1u.fsf@kobe.laptop>, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:
>> > Should we also modify the greek-postfix rules to include "<;" and ">;"
>> > for the same?
>
>> Something like this perhaps?
> [...]
>>  (quail-define-package
>>   "greek-postfix" "GreekPost" "Ψ" nil
>> @@ -1419,7 +1421,9 @@ e.g.
>>   ("i:;" ?ΐ)
>>   ("i;:" ?ΐ)
>>   ("y:;" ?ΰ)
>> - ("y;:" ?ΰ))
>> + ("y;:" ?ΰ)
>> + ("<;" ?«)
>> + (">;" ?»))
>
> I'm not sure.  In many Latin prefix methods, "~<" is used for "«", but
> in Latin prefix methods, "<<" is used for "«".  It seems that this
> asymmetricness has some meaning.  Isn't it more convenient also for
> greek-postfix to use "<<" provided that there's no standard for it.

Thanks for clarifying this!  Whatever feels more natural for the rest of
input-methods is fine.

I just tried the "<;" / ">;" patch in a local build and it works.  If
the rest of postfix input methods use "<<" and ">>", then I'll wait
until the patch hits trunk and remove my local changes :-)

Re: greek-style quotes for greek input method?

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <87r5i8vw34.fsf@kobe.laptop>, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:

> > I'm not sure.  In many Latin prefix methods, "~<" is used for "«", but
> > in Latin prefix methods, "<<" is used for "«".  It seems that this
> > asymmetricness has some meaning.  Isn't it more convenient also for
> > greek-postfix to use "<<" provided that there's no standard for it.

> Thanks for clarifying this!  Whatever feels more natural for the rest of
> input-methods is fine.

Ok, I've just committed a change to add "<<" and ">>".

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: greek-style quotes for greek input method?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:56:36 +0900, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:
>In article <87r5i8vw34.fsf@kobe.laptop>,
>Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:
>>> I'm not sure.  In many Latin prefix methods, "~<" is used for "«",
>>> but in Latin prefix methods, "<<" is used for "«".  It seems that
>>> this asymmetricness has some meaning.  Isn't it more convenient also
>>> for greek-postfix to use "<<" provided that there's no standard for
>>> it.
>>
>> Thanks for clarifying this!  Whatever feels more natural for the rest
>> of input-methods is fine.
>
> Ok, I've just committed a change to add "<<" and ">>".

Thanks :-)

I can remove my local patch now.