From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: extra-interactive functions Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:11:14 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87boyegajh.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87pqngewwp.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87pqnfu51p.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87d3jf3ef8.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87fwobasiy.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxi1qlwv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o48axbk.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tyc7i1yw.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4DE8CFA8.5020707@gmx.at> <87vcwneyyl.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <4DE8FD71.1000004@gmx.at> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307119331 23442 80.91.229.12 (3 Jun 2011 16:42:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:42:11 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 03 18:42:07 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSXRj-0002TY-19 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:42:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50755 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSXRh-0005vu-Mc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:42:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58971) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSX1j-0007bJ-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSX1g-0000zo-92 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:15:11 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:56969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSX1f-0000xI-J7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSX1d-0004nC-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:15:05 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:15:05 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:15:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:31qZ72yiEG8PktsA2pTGK70sgks= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140136 Archived-At: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:27:45 +0200 martin rudalics wrote: >>>> Also, if `find-file' should be avoided in ELisp generally, the docstring >>>> should say so, like it does for many other functions. >> mr> Indeed. >> >> But that's tedious to do by hand. If we tag the function symbol >> (e.g. `switch-to-buffer') with some extra-interactive property, we can >> tag all the functions that call it as well at compile time. Wouldn't >> that be nicer? The docstring can then automatically say "unsafe to call >> because it calls `switch-to-buffer'" which is nice and more helpful. mr> There are only very few interactive functions that should be allowed to mr> call `switch-to-buffer'. `find-file' may fit into this category because mr> that's what users traditionally expect it to do (although I plan to have mr> it call a function `pop-to-buffer-same-window' sooner or later). In the mr> distant future there should be no function calling `switch-to-buffer' at mr> all. Thank you for explaining. You're sort of side-stepping my suggestion of a special tag for functions that should not be called from ELisp. Is it because you think it's too unusual to be useful, or something else? Ted