* Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
@ 2012-09-08 16:10 Jan Djärv
2012-09-08 20:09 ` Paul Eggert
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From: Jan Djärv @ 2012-09-08 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
Hello.
I'd like to suggest that we change the default toolkit to Gtk3, like so:
configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (try Gtk3 only).
Is that OK?
Jan D.
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2012-09-08 16:10 Change default toolkit to Gtk3? Jan Djärv
@ 2012-09-08 20:09 ` Paul Eggert
2012-09-08 21:09 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-09 2:37 ` Chong Yidong
2012-09-09 6:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggert @ 2012-09-08 20:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
On 09/08/2012 09:10 AM, Jan Djärv wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I'd like to suggest that we change the default toolkit to Gtk3, like so:
That sounds good to me.
Would it also make sense to add new option
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 ?
Or do you think that nobody will want Gtk2
anymore, so why bother?
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-08 16:10 Change default toolkit to Gtk3? Jan Djärv
2012-09-08 20:09 ` Paul Eggert
@ 2012-09-09 2:37 ` Chong Yidong
2012-09-09 6:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
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From: Chong Yidong @ 2012-09-09 2:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:
> I'd like to suggest that we change the default toolkit to Gtk3, like so:
>
> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (try Gtk3 only).
Fine by me.
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-08 16:10 Change default toolkit to Gtk3? Jan Djärv
2012-09-08 20:09 ` Paul Eggert
2012-09-09 2:37 ` Chong Yidong
@ 2012-09-09 6:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-09 6:49 ` Chong Yidong
2012-09-09 10:11 ` Jan Djärv
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2012-09-09 6:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: emacs-devel
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Jan Djärv wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that we change the default toolkit to Gtk3, like so:
> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (try Gtk3 only).
> Is that OK?
In Gentoo we needs a way for our ebuild to explicitly select Gtk2.
AFAICS, that wouldn't be possible any more?
How about this:
configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 (try Gtk2 only).
Ulrich
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-09 6:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
@ 2012-09-09 6:49 ` Chong Yidong
2012-09-09 7:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-09-09 10:11 ` Jan Djärv
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From: Chong Yidong @ 2012-09-09 6:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ulrich Mueller; +Cc: Jan Djärv, emacs-devel
Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> writes:
> How about this:
>
> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 (try Gtk2 only).
I don't think we should drop configure flags, so --with-x-toolkit=gtk3
needs to still be recognized. So, it should be
configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (as above)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 (try Gtk2 only).
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-09 6:49 ` Chong Yidong
@ 2012-09-09 7:13 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2012-09-09 7:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Ulrich Mueller, Jan Djärv, emacs-devel
Chong Yidong <cyd@gnu.org> writes:
> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (as above)
I don't think it makes sense to try gtk2 when gtk3 is requested.
Andreas.
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-09 6:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-09 6:49 ` Chong Yidong
@ 2012-09-09 10:11 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-09 10:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
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From: Jan Djärv @ 2012-09-09 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ulrich Mueller; +Cc: emacs-devel
Hello.
9 sep 2012 kl. 08:25 skrev Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>:
>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Jan Djärv wrote:
>
>> I'd like to suggest that we change the default toolkit to Gtk3, like so:
>
>> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
>> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
>> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (try Gtk3 only).
>
>> Is that OK?
>
> In Gentoo we needs a way for our ebuild to explicitly select Gtk2.
> AFAICS, that wouldn't be possible any more?
>
> How about this:
>
> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 (try Gtk2 only).
I did not consider atomated builders/testers. So I agree, an explicit gtk2 is needed.
9 sep 2012 kl. 08:49 skrev Chong Yidong <cyd@gnu.org>:
>
> I don't think we should drop configure flags, so --with-x-toolkit=gtk3
> needs to still be recognized. So, it should be
>
> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (as above)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 (try Gtk2 only).
I agree.
9 sep 2012 kl. 09:13 skrev Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>:
> I don't think it makes sense to try gtk2 when gtk3 is requested.
>
I agree, it would also change its current meaning.
So this is what I will do if nobody objects:
configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (try Gtk3 only)
configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 (try Gtk2 only)
Jan D.
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-09 10:11 ` Jan Djärv
@ 2012-09-09 10:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-12 20:23 ` Jan Djärv
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2012-09-09 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: emacs-devel
>>>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2012, Jan Djärv wrote:
>> In Gentoo we need a way for our ebuild to explicitly select Gtk2.
> I did not consider atomated builders/testers.
Not necessarily automated, but the problem arises e.g. if the build
host has both Gtk2 and Gtk3 but the target host has only Gtk2.
> So I agree, an explicit gtk2 is needed.
> [...]
> So this is what I will do if nobody objects:
> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (try Gtk3 only)
> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 (try Gtk2 only)
Looks good to me.
Ulrich
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-09 10:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
@ 2012-09-12 20:23 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-13 2:42 ` Chong Yidong
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From: Jan Djärv @ 2012-09-12 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
Hello.
This has been checked in. Do we want a NEWS-entry for this?
Jan D.
9 sep 2012 kl. 12:25 skrev Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>:
>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2012, Jan Djärv wrote:
>
>>> In Gentoo we need a way for our ebuild to explicitly select Gtk2.
>
>> I did not consider atomated builders/testers.
>
> Not necessarily automated, but the problem arises e.g. if the build
> host has both Gtk2 and Gtk3 but the target host has only Gtk2.
>
>> So I agree, an explicit gtk2 is needed.
>
>> [...]
>
>> So this is what I will do if nobody objects:
>
>> configure (Gtk3 is tried, then Gtk2)
>> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk (as above)
>> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 (try Gtk3 only)
>> configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk2 (try Gtk2 only)
>
> Looks good to me.
>
> Ulrich
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2012-09-12 20:23 ` Jan Djärv
@ 2012-09-13 2:42 ` Chong Yidong
2012-09-13 6:14 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-13 3:38 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-09-13 5:21 ` Ulrich Mueller
2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2012-09-13 2:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:
> This has been checked in. Do we want a NEWS-entry for this?
Yes, under "Installation Changes". Thanks.
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-12 20:23 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-13 2:42 ` Chong Yidong
@ 2012-09-13 3:38 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-09-13 6:15 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-13 5:21 ` Ulrich Mueller
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From: Dmitry Antipov @ 2012-09-13 3:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
On 09/13/2012 12:23 AM, Jan Djärv wrote:
> This has been checked in. Do we want a NEWS-entry for this?
Can you also adjust configure.ac so that an answer to "What toolkit
should Emacs use" question was one of GTK, GTK2 or GTK3 (if GTK
is used at all)?
Dmitry
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-13 3:38 ` Dmitry Antipov
@ 2012-09-13 6:15 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-13 7:04 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-09-13 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Jan Djärv @ 2012-09-13 6:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dmitry Antipov; +Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
Hello.
13 sep 2012 kl. 05:38 skrev Dmitry Antipov <dmantipov@yandex.ru>:
> On 09/13/2012 12:23 AM, Jan Djärv wrote:
>
>> This has been checked in. Do we want a NEWS-entry for this?
>
> Can you also adjust configure.ac so that an answer to "What toolkit
> should Emacs use" question was one of GTK, GTK2 or GTK3 (if GTK
> is used at all)?
I'd rather not. We don't distinguish between versions (Motif, X, NS) in other cases, so why here?
Jan D.
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-13 6:15 ` Jan Djärv
@ 2012-09-13 7:04 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-09-13 8:34 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-13 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Antipov @ 2012-09-13 7:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
On 09/13/2012 10:15 AM, Jan Djärv wrote:
>> Can you also adjust configure.ac so that an answer to "What toolkit
>> should Emacs use" question was one of GTK, GTK2 or GTK3 (if GTK
>> is used at all)?
>
> I'd rather not. We don't distinguish between versions (Motif, X, NS)
> in other cases, so why here?
OK, but this means that 109113 becomes useless.
Dmitry
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-13 6:15 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-13 7:04 ` Dmitry Antipov
@ 2012-09-13 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-09-18 18:13 ` Jan Djärv
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-09-13 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: Dmitry Antipov, emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
> I'd rather not. We don't distinguish between versions (Motif, X, NS)
> in other cases, so why here?
But we've never offered a way for the user to select which version of
motif/X/NS to use either. So I think it would make sense to say "GTK2"
or "GTK3" depending on which one got chosen by `configure' in the end.
Not terribly important, but if it can be done cheaply, it's better to do it.
Stefan
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2012-09-13 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2012-09-18 18:13 ` Jan Djärv
0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Jan Djärv @ 2012-09-18 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Dmitry Antipov, emacs-devel@gnu.org developers
13 sep 2012 kl. 14:42 skrev Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>:
>> I'd rather not. We don't distinguish between versions (Motif, X, NS)
>> in other cases, so why here?
>
> But we've never offered a way for the user to select which version of
> motif/X/NS to use either. So I think it would make sense to say "GTK2"
> or "GTK3" depending on which one got chosen by `configure' in the end.
> Not terribly important, but if it can be done cheaply, it's better to do it.
>
Ok, done.
Jan D.
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-12 20:23 ` Jan Djärv
2012-09-13 2:42 ` Chong Yidong
2012-09-13 3:38 ` Dmitry Antipov
@ 2012-09-13 5:21 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-13 6:21 ` Jan Djärv
2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2012-09-13 5:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012, Jan Djärv wrote:
> This has been checked in.
I don't know if it's related to this, but I see a minor problem in the
output of configure --with-x-toolkit=lucid:
checking for xaw3d... checking for XawScrollbarSetThumb in -lXaw3d... yes
yes; using Lucid toolkit
Ulrich
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* Re: Change default toolkit to Gtk3?
2012-09-13 5:21 ` Ulrich Mueller
@ 2012-09-13 6:21 ` Jan Djärv
0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Jan Djärv @ 2012-09-13 6:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ulrich Mueller; +Cc: emacs-devel
Hello.
13 sep 2012 kl. 07:21 skrev Ulrich Mueller <ulm@kph.uni-mainz.de>:
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012, Jan Djärv wrote:
>
>> This has been checked in.
>
> I don't know if it's related to this, but I see a minor problem in the
> output of configure --with-x-toolkit=lucid:
>
> checking for xaw3d... checking for XawScrollbarSetThumb in -lXaw3d... yes
> yes; using Lucid toolkit
>
It is not related, it probably has been that way for some time. I'll see if I can restructure the messages.
Jan D.
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