From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Put C-h N (news) in org-mode Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:47:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87bohdngqm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874nnemm81.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347349654 12994 80.91.229.3 (11 Sep 2012 07:47:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "T.V. Raman" , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 11 09:47:36 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TBLC2-00031I-6K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:47:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51152 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBLBy-0004co-Nj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:47:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45885) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBLBp-0004bt-7F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:47:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBLBl-0005da-7r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:47:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:49802) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBLBg-0005d6-A2; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:47:12 -0400 Original-Received: by wgbdt14 with SMTP id dt14so139779wgb.30 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:47:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=fpe4+YrOEcR8LtXWu7irjGefEAfgfZEMWbuTAVZ3xuE=; b=d9W4oh6it6dmJgTDmeqTUmiMwzQazVD6KvVX/0F7hkfcb7Xyj7ftQ2S6bh57MWFRpa pSi//PZ0iaRwOpqDh/cksGKjPF8r8UyVf7CxMAw773WzOowJZbttd716ek2BEBMaZ9sV JqqcyP0nOti+FKwZ+Sfiw7Jiv7egOEhYwoLU5RDZynd8qeeNl4nmXNjn1EutjSzGhcL0 wFFGInLIciPWQpfYiMvNxkEUI5lTD43Se23asam3lVUPR8g/qV3jRwceKWCWYhgY/XFY R+p1CtyfolGFt/6nCPJF9DpK2QkMSkCN+oOLi36RSU6EFdWJFZRkkeXc5/SqEW3C4mC2 s47w== Original-Received: by 10.180.81.165 with SMTP id b5mr23131486wiy.17.1347349631257; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from myhost.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc2sm2124945wib.0.2012.09.11.00.47.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by myhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C6FF89A2; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:47:14 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <874nnemm81.fsf@gnu.org> (Chong Yidong's message of "Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:43:42 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 74.125.82.49 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:153235 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>> Subject line pretty much says it all -- >>> Old-style outline mode is suboptimal compared to org-mode -- >>> and worse, launching C-h N and trying outline-based >>> nav fails. >> >> I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I'd like to hear some more >> concrete reasons why the difference would be good (and why for those >> particular files). >> E.g. an alternative is to move some of Org's functionality into Outline, >> or even make outline-mode into an alias for org-mode. > > One thing I did notice with Org mode is that there is a noticeable delay > between visiting a file and having it displayed. On my laptop, > displaying NEWS with Org mode takes about a second, whereas visiting it > with Outline mode is almost instantaneous. I'm not sure where the > bottleneck is. I guess the one-second delay is when you load org.el for the first time. Right? That's indeed a problem. My plan for Org 8.0 is to put org.el on diet and to modularize it more so that loading the minimal set of feature should not cause such a delay. In the meantime, I'm working on a patch that simply reformat entries in etc/NEWS so that each headline takes only one line. This will let people turn on org-mode if they want. -- Bastien