From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: inclusion of emacs-w3m Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:06:00 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87bodnis13.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87txw9r9o2.fsf@kanis.fr> <871uihst4z.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356087985 16126 80.91.229.3 (21 Dec 2012 11:06:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:06:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 21 12:06:41 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm0R6-0001fi-OJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:06:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54581 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm0Qs-0005qG-QS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:06:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33270) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm0Ql-0005oD-Fj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:06:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm0Qi-0002rI-6G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:06:19 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:45507) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm0Qh-0002r8-Vy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:06:16 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm0Qr-0001Q9-BA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:06:25 +0100 Original-Received: from c-65-96-148-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([65.96.148.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:06:25 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-65-96-148-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:06:25 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-65-96-148-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oUCsu7DvSIkPx8hFeVgG3tO0Gik= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155723 Archived-At: On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:30:44 +0200 joakim@verona.se wrote: j> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Now that Emacs proper has an HTML parser (via libxml2), an HTML renderer >> (via shr.el), and an HTTP library (via url*.el), writing a totally >> Emacs-based web browser should be pretty easy for somebody who has some >> time to spare. j> Can I shamelessly plug my emacs xwidget branch here? j> It has webkit integration and stuff. One of my long term ideas is to j> make it possible to expose the DOM so that SHR can render the same tree j> webkit sees. There are some initial efforts in that direction in the j> branch. There are some pros and cons to this of course. I think an Emacs-based web browser should support various rendering backends, including xwidget, but should have a fallback mode that works in older Emacsen as well. I thought shr.el, especially the CSS parsing it does, would be a really hard project but Lars proved it possible and even simple. So I believe him an Emacs-based web browser is possible, even though it seems hard because of our experience with w3. Ted