From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Achim Gratz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: RFE: require and load-path-shadowing Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:53:29 +0100 Organization: Linux Private Site Message-ID: <87bocjt4ba.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <87sj68eogm.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87vcasmhgy.fsf@Rainer.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1358751234 27461 80.91.229.3 (21 Jan 2013 06:53:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 06:53:54 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 21 07:54:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TxBGl-0000vt-1Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:54:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50506 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TxBGU-0007TY-2l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:53:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35613) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TxBGP-0007TF-Bm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:53:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TxBGN-0005ov-Lb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:53:49 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:56411) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TxBGN-0005oB-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:53:47 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TxBGa-0000s0-Q6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:54:00 +0100 Original-Received: from pd9eb57c4.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.235.87.196]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:54:00 +0100 Original-Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb57c4.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:54:00 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9eb57c4.dip.t-dialin.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tH7TONS+tiwic+gPkVVy0gZlOG8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:156533 Archived-At: Glenn Morris writes: >> I've posted a possible patch there, could it please be reviewed? > > I don't need to review it because it is functionally identical to one I > wrote last year. Yes, I wrote this in the description. I wasn't talking about reviewing the principle, but the suggested implementation. > Stefan prefers to do something else > > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=10125#59 Maybe I'm not reading it correctly, but I don't see why his preference for option #2 (which implicitly won't happen until perhaps Emacs 25 and requires further discussion) should preclude implementing option #1 as a stopgap measure until #2 is ready to replace it with. Unless of course there's something obviously or non-obviously wrong with that implementation. Package manager is a tool for users who don't know or don't want to know about the behind-the-scenes things in Emacs. This bug is a trap for the unwary and it can break Emacs for them very obtusely. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptation for Waldorf microQ V2.22R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada