From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Shmakov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:52:37 +0000 Message-ID: <87bnnhlz3e.fsf@violet.siamics.net> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> <83388u4bps.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsejkrt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tx19jpqz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k3255ggb.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bnnhox99.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417870385 16583 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 12:53:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:53:05 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 13:53:00 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEr3-0001TX-6W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:52:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54254 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEr0-0002Db-OF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:52:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36984) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEqw-0002DU-Q9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:52:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEqu-0004Iy-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:52:50 -0500 Original-Received: from fely.am-1.org ([2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2]:49860) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEqu-0004IP-F5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:52:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siamics.net; s=a2013295; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Sender:References:Subject:To:From; bh=Mym3wUQrodqmgC3n32wQQCOcD09QNgYk+TenLXuXskw=; b=Z86DbQR/H3nKzIZ7ME8cR+HAp2Nia5etyLTRyceR9/tQ+dsZFAv7/3GxujsgdLBCPEXGdc2S4zA+848Z9xSxljqRn8FFN0KCEbFkn8B0/raetZjz5ezfRH8HPonkgTiaiCVMIxJQZ8L6NM3VtG6sK9qS40VwtGK9pChsClKKw1g=; Original-Received: from [2a02:2560:6d4:26ca::1:1d] (helo=violet.siamics.net) by fely.am-1.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEqr-0002IL-BI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:52:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=violet.siamics.net) by violet.siamics.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEqj-00025L-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:52:37 +0700 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87bnnhox99.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:04:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179172 Archived-At: >>>>> David Kastrup writes: >>>>> Eric Abrahamsen writes: [=E2=80=A6] >> The only reason I chimed in is because I'm one of those who would >> love to contribute more substantially, but needs guidance. For >> example, I've got the basics of an epub-editing mode in place. I'd >> like it to be a solid library, and would likely need assistance to >> get it there. > Can you figure out what is missing and phrase it into questions? > While there is the phenomenon that if you are asking 10 people, > you'll get 20 answers, I think that for basic problems the Emacs list > will not split into so many different factions of "do it my way" that > you'll get much more confusing answers from the group of people > reading this list than you would get from a single tutor. Furthermore, that=E2=80=99s where the discrepancy between vocality and productivity (so to say) may come to be an issue. My personal approach to the =E2=80=9Chow should I do this?=E2=80=9D proble= m is to read the existing code. (Literacy is gained first and foremost by reading, =E2=80=93 not writing; computer literacy isn=E2=80=99= t all that different.) Hence, when I have an idea for which I could readily think of several implementations, my better question would be not =E2=80=9Cwhat of the following should I choose?=E2=80=9D but = rather =E2=80=9CI want to do X; could you please point me to the existing code that does something like that?=E2=80=9D And there, the more of the code I=E2=80=99ll be pointed to, and the more of that I=E2=80=99ll read through, the more informed my choice will be. --=20 FSF associate member #7257 http://boycottsystemd.org/ =E2=80=A6 3013 B6A0= 230E 334A