From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Shmakov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Info and HTML Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:42:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87bnnflp0d.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87mw72lyzs.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205190925.GA5067@thyrsus.com> <20141206061019.GC14890@thyrsus.com> <87vblnn9cj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9x7ke4l.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87egsbn6l6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417948999 32761 80.91.229.3 (7 Dec 2014 10:43:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 10:43:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 07 11:43:14 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxZJ1-0005Ac-2D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:43:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57617 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxZJ0-0007qd-GK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:43:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56225) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxZIm-0007qU-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:42:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxZIl-0000FY-Ma for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:42:56 -0500 Original-Received: from fely.am-1.org ([2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2]:49965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxZIl-0000ED-Cq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:42:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siamics.net; s=a2013295; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Sender:References:Subject:To:From; bh=cKxbTHlATd/QWLruLJhdpJRdSn4Qy02dIBXOfdY4dWQ=; b=MTwjGlBR0AtuNq1OC4bJX9Eu1tVJTgcTdlQQ6TPyLZY4iQd+KVl/UIDg3f+lwaPSrtgUh9I94tcNOURBJZjWHQ0kRvW7AEBIZL9LGQhdlQJcqpdOH5h5XhNQDlA/O6hDg/brnRFio0QgRfMXLeoAy8rZrVVl1rIClkIoGzPAXhI=; Original-Received: from [2a02:2560:6d4:26ca::1:1d] (helo=violet.siamics.net) by fely.am-1.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XxZIg-0003dP-8I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:42:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=violet.siamics.net) by violet.siamics.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XxZIZ-0004cy-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 17:42:43 +0700 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87egsbn6l6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:37:41 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179258 Archived-At: >>>>> David Kastrup writes: [=E2=80=A6] > My web browser is typically running on a desktop of its own, > basically in landscape format, while my Emacs occupies just below > half of a desktop using only 80 columns (which is about the limit one > can usefully read in running text without losing orientation). My preference is to configure Firefox (which serves as my secondary browser) to use something close to 80 columns for the HTML documents, either. Whenever feasible, I use CSS overrides (via Stylish) to move the sidebars and the likes off to the bottom of the page, or to remove them altogether. > So layout, geometry, and also the color model at least outside of the > bulk text area are different for web browsing and Info browsing. > Which is, by the way, the main problem I have with using eww for > about anything: it just makes a framy wrapping mess of the 80 columns > of text area I give it. On the EWW side, there=E2=80=99s that new eww-readable feature which I=E2= =80=99m yet to try out. On the document side, the proper markup has the payload content /not/ wrapped in any tables or frames, and has the navigation going after it, not before. That=E2=80=99s, e. g., how modern MediaWiki software behaves by default, and so that=E2=80=99s how Wikipedia (and the rest of WMF wikis) show up =E2=80=93 giving an entirely reasonable Web reading experience with EWW, Lynx, etc. --=20 FSF associate member #7257 http://boycottsystemd.org/ =E2=80=A6 3013 B6A0= 230E 334A