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* On being web-friendly and why info must die
@ 2014-12-05 12:35 Eric S. Raymond
  2014-12-05 12:46 ` joakim
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From: Eric S. Raymond @ 2014-12-05 12:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Several recent posts in the metaproblem threads have had the common
theme that Emacs's web resources are weak, scattered, and unfocused.
In particular, guidance for new developers that should be public,
prominent and webbed is buried in obscure text files deep in the Emacs 
source distribution.

I think the major reason this has not happened is because the Emacs
development culture is still largely stuck in a pre-Web mindset.
There are a number of historically contingent reasons for this, but
enumerating them is not really important.  What matters is recognizing
that this is a problem and fixing it.

There are two reasons it's a problem: one of capability, one of
positioning.

The positioning problem is that info/Texinfo makes us look like a
steam-powered archaic joke to younger developers.  Text-only
presentation with obtrusive links and a complex command set for a
viewer that's *not a web browser*?  In 2014?  Really?

The capability problem is that the younger developers are objectively right 
to laugh.  Because these resources are not rendered to Web, they're an
informational ghetto with an impoverished internal link structure.  The
fact that some of them, like /etc/CONTRIBUTE, are plain text with no
link structure at all certainly doesn't help.

The EmacsWiki is a valiant stab at fixing part of the problem, but its utility
is severely damaged by the fact that it can't readily link inwards to
the stuff carried in the distribution.

The solution must be partly a change in mechanism and partly a change
in policy and attitude.  The change in technology is the simple part;
info and Texinfo must die.  They must be replaced with a common format
for documentation masters that is Web-friendly, and by Web
presentation.

I have discussed this with RMS and, pending my ability to actually write
proper translation tools, we have agreed on asciidoc as a new master 
format.  This is what should replace Texinfo and the gallimaufry of
ad-hoc text files like /etc/CONTRIBUTE and the admin/notes stuff.

The policy part of the job will in some ways be more difficult because
the requirements are harder to define.  We need to change the way we
think about Emacs's documentation; we need to concieve and organize it
as a single, coherent, richly linked hypertext that renders to HTML as
its major target.  This may mean giving up on some features supporting
rendering to print manuals; I'm not sure yet. If so, it's time to bite
that bullet.

I'm willing to take on the tools end, but I can't do it all.  Someone
needs to take ownership of the policy/organization end of the documentation 
problem. Will any of the people righly complaining about this step up?
-- 
		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>



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2014-12-05 12:35 On being web-friendly and why info must die Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 12:46 ` joakim
2014-12-05 13:05   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 13:34 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 13:57 ` Rasmus
2014-12-05 14:08   ` joakim
2014-12-05 14:15     ` Rasmus
2014-12-05 14:01 ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 15:46   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 15:55     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 16:01       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-08 12:08     ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-08 12:47       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 14:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-12-05 17:45   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 14:56 ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-05 18:12   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 19:10     ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-05 20:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  3:02       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-06  3:20         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-06  7:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 21:43     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 15:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:52   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 19:23     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 19:38       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 20:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 21:32         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 10:50           ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-06  4:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 18:12   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 17:55   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 20:00     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 21:34     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 21:47       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 18:12   ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 19:18     ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-12-05 20:17       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 20:41         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-05 22:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-07  4:02         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-05 15:54 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-12-05 16:02   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 17:12     ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-12-05 18:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 19:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 21:23       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 17:58   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 18:08     ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-06 12:04       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06 12:35         ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-06 15:46         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-07  9:21           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07 11:23             ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-07 11:34               ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-07 12:54                 ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-08  0:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08  0:42                     ` Alexis
2014-12-08 20:59                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 21:21                         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-09 11:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08  9:11                     ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-09 19:51                     ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-10  8:24                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-12-10  8:47                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-08  0:25                   ` Alternative input formats Richard Stallman
2014-12-08  1:49                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-08 20:59                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08  2:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08  3:42                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-08  7:27                         ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-08 14:48                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 20:59                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-09  4:24                         ` Mike Gerwitz
2014-12-09  7:52                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-08 12:15                       ` joakim
2014-12-08 14:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-11 14:33                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-11 20:46                       ` Grim Schjetne
2014-12-12 16:41                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-12 20:51                         ` Info replacement? Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-13 12:48                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07 14:20                 ` On being web-friendly and why info must die Rasmus
2014-12-06 16:43         ` Rasmus
2014-12-07  2:33           ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2014-12-07  9:21           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07 12:24             ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-10  8:24               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-10 10:08                 ` Rasmus
2014-12-11 12:54                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-10 10:48                 ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-10 11:44                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-10 11:47                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-10 15:18                     ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-10 14:20                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-11 12:56                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-10 18:06                 ` Kyle Andrews
2014-12-10 19:18                   ` Jay Belanger
2014-12-10 19:36                     ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-11 19:49                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-12 11:26                     ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-12 15:09                       ` David Engster
2014-12-12 18:51                         ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-12 19:44                           ` David Engster
2014-12-13  1:47                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 16:47                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-15 17:49                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-17  3:30                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17 12:03                             ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-17 15:39                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-19 20:06                                 ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-18 11:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-18 14:14                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-18 15:50                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-19  7:18                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-19 20:22                                   ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-19 20:16                                 ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-21 10:55                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07 14:11             ` Rasmus
2014-12-05 18:58     ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-12-05 19:36       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 20:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 12:33           ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-08 16:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 16:29               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-08 17:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 18:00                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-08 18:08                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-08 18:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 18:57                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 20:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 20:27                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09  1:14                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-09  1:26                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09  1:31                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-09  2:18                             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09 12:43                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-09 12:58                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09 13:04                                 ` Jay Belanger
2014-12-09 19:27                               ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-10  9:09                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09  8:11                             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-12-09  9:03                               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09 16:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 17:14                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-08 17:41                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-08 17:52                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 19:00                 ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-08 17:16               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-12-05 21:29         ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-12-06  9:09           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 21:40         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 21:51           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 22:47             ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-05 23:15               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06  8:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 10:24                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-06 10:44                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 10:49                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 11:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 22:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07  8:47                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-08  1:30                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-08  2:30                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 19:30                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-08 20:17                           ` David Engster
2014-12-08 20:32                             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09  7:38                               ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-09  8:57                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09 21:54                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-09 22:00                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-09 22:30                                       ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-10  8:28                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-10  9:11                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-10 16:11                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10 17:09                                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-10 18:04                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10 19:12                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-10 17:32                                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-10  9:40                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-10 16:20                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10  9:01                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-10 19:09                                       ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-10 19:18                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-10 19:30                                           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-10 19:47                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-10 20:51                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10 21:43                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-10 22:20                                               ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-10 23:06                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-10 23:49                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-11  8:54                                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 11:44                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-11 11:52                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 12:07                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-11 12:40                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 16:14                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 16:17                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-11 11:50                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-11 11:55                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 12:41                                                           ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-11 13:45                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 14:44                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-11 15:07                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 16:12                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 17:40                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 18:33                                                       ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-12 16:41                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-12 19:02                                                           ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-13 12:46                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-13 21:18                                                               ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-15  8:38                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 17:58                                                                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-16 11:34                                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-17  3:30                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17  4:29                                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-17 15:45                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17 17:51                                                                       ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-21 10:55                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15  8:39                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 17:55                                                                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-17  3:30                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17  9:22                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-12-17  9:54                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-17 15:45                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17 17:55                                                                       ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-17 18:19                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 17:40                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-12  1:05                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-12  7:56                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 19:49                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-11 22:51                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-12 16:42                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-10  9:38                                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-10 19:02                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-09  7:29                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-08 21:41                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 23:39                             ` chad
2014-12-09  2:19                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-09 17:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-09 17:28                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-09 17:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-09 19:50                                       ` andres.ramirez
2014-12-09 20:03                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-09  3:43                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-09  7:29                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-09 17:03                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08  3:51                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  6:51             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07  9:20               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06 10:31         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-06 10:54           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 12:19             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 18:39 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-12-05 19:09   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 20:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 20:53       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 21:09         ` Romain Francoise
2014-12-05 21:18           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 21:26             ` having heterogenous doc (was Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die) Nic Ferrier
2014-12-06  9:01               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 21:47         ` On being web-friendly and why info must die David Kastrup
2014-12-05 22:39           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 23:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  9:19             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 10:40               ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-05 22:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 12:06           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06 12:16             ` James Fuller
2014-12-05 21:13     ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 21:21       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 22:00         ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-12-05 22:23           ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-05 23:18             ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-12-05 23:31               ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-06  8:13                 ` Fabrice Niessen
2014-12-06  9:41               ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-05 22:48           ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06  9:30           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 20:37             ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-12-06 21:44               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 21:49       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 22:02         ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06  4:28     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-06  6:10       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06  7:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:03           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 11:18             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 12:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 13:02               ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-06 19:06             ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 19:53               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07 22:50                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-07  9:20             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07  9:54               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07  9:20             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07  9:20           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07  9:57             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07 10:27             ` Info and HTML Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-06  9:48         ` On being web-friendly and why info must die David Kastrup
2014-12-06 11:50           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 12:13             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 16:44           ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06 17:25             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 18:00               ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06 18:38                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 19:41                   ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 22:49                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-21  0:29             ` Getting to online manuals from Info [was: On being web-friendly...] Drew Adams
2014-12-06 22:26         ` On being web-friendly and why info must die Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07  8:38           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07  9:23             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-07  9:37               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07 10:42                 ` Info and HTML Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-06  7:35       ` On being web-friendly and why info must die Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 13:21 ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-12-08 14:21   ` Tom
2014-12-08 14:31     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-08 16:08     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 17:09       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-08 18:29         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 18:54           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-08 20:32             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-08 20:37               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-08 16:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 18:38       ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-08 16:39     ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-12-09 11:00     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-11 14:27 ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-11 14:38   ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-11 14:55   ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-11 15:23     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 15:52       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-11 16:10         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 16:53     ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-12  4:01       ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-12  8:07         ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-12  9:26           ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-12 11:20           ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-12 11:32             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-13  1:47               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-12  9:58         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 10:24           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-12 10:40             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 14:09               ` Correspondence between web-pages and Info-pages Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 14:34                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 16:31                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 15:09                 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-30 11:17                 ` Kelly Dean
2014-12-30 15:43                   ` Drew Adams
2015-01-01  4:20                     ` Kelly Dean
2014-12-30 16:08                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-01  4:21                     ` Kelly Dean
2014-12-30 16:55                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-01  4:24                     ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-01 10:20                       ` chad
2015-01-01 10:38                         ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-01 20:00                           ` chad
2015-01-02 19:08                             ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-02 23:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-03  2:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-03  8:15                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-04  2:17                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-03 10:34                                   ` Nic Ferrier
2015-01-03  8:14                                 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-03 15:48                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-03 15:48                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-04  6:13                                     ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-04 13:50                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-04 14:50                                         ` Nic Ferrier
2015-01-05 17:51                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-06  2:17                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-07  4:26                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-07  4:46                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-07 19:26                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-07 20:16                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-08  2:45                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-08  3:25                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-05 17:50                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-06  6:44                                         ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-07  4:27                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-08  9:30                                             ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-08 13:17                                               ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-12 11:19       ` On being web-friendly and why info must die Phillip Lord
2014-12-12 12:45         ` martin rudalics
2014-12-12 13:38           ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-12 14:10             ` martin rudalics
2014-12-12 14:50               ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-12 15:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-12 15:27                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 17:19                 ` martin rudalics
2014-12-13 12:47             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 16:54               ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-15 17:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-17  3:30                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17  9:08                   ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-12 14:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-12 20:09         ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-12 16:41       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-12 20:21         ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-13 12:48           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-13 14:34             ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-14  9:07               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-14 13:40                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-14 14:10                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-14 16:53                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-15  8:39                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 16:46                   ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-14 14:25             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-14 18:34               ` chad
2014-12-15  8:39               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 12:26                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-15 12:32                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-15 17:11                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-15 17:15                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-15 17:33                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-15 17:49                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-15 18:27                             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-17  3:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-16  5:20                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-16 15:57                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-12-17  9:07                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-17 15:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17 22:40                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-21 10:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-16 19:17                     ` URIs for GNU documentation Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-21 10:57                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 13:58                 ` On being web-friendly and why info must die Stefan Monnier
2014-12-17  3:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17  9:02                     ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-17 15:46                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-17 13:57                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-17 14:11                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-11 15:57   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-11 16:12     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 16:20       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-11 16:36         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 16:43           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-11 17:20             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12  1:06               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-12  9:56                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 12:03                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-12 14:05                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 10:57                 ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-12 11:54                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-12 13:36                     ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-12 14:18                       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-12 14:44                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 15:11                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-12 14:46                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-12 14:52                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-13  7:37                             ` Alexis
2014-12-12 14:59                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-12 15:16                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-12 15:08                         ` Drew Adams
2014-12-13  1:47                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-13 21:14                         ` chad
2014-12-14 14:20                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-14 18:46                             ` chad
2014-12-15  1:32                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-15 20:23                                 ` chad
2014-12-16  5:31                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-17 15:43                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-16  5:19                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-14 22:33                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-15  1:40                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-15  8:15                                 ` David Engster
2014-12-15  8:39                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 12:12                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-16  5:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-16  7:41                                   ` On beincg " Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-15 15:51                               ` On being " Ivan Andrus
2014-12-17  3:31                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15  8:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-12 16:24                 ` Tom
2014-12-12 17:30                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-13  1:47                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-13 12:13                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-14  9:07                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-14 10:05                         ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-12 16:41     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-15 17:34       ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-17  3:30         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-18 23:47       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-20  7:54         ` Richard Stallman

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