From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:35:20 +0900 Message-ID: <87bnmv5hkn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <833887r8qn.fsf@gnu.org> <83ppbbprfh.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419294959 13635 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2014 00:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 00:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 01:35:52 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3DS3-00083e-Sb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 01:35:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42573 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3DS2-0005ki-UF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:35:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46907) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3DRr-0005jX-9h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:35:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3DRj-000621-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:35:39 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:52978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3DRb-0005z5-E3; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:35:23 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1DCB1C38C8; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:35:20 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A5F9B1A2CFC; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:35:20 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <83ppbbprfh.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180527 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > You can add these alternatives to the index, but in practice you > > can't compete with google with a manually compiled index, because > > you can add just so many alternatives, while google does the same > > mechanically and intelligently (stemming, thesaurus, etc.), so > > it will always have an advantage. > > So let's add such a front end to Emacs as well. Should be a nice > project, I think. The problem is how do you assemble the results into an "index" for the manual? The scary thing about Google is that it is reindexing the Emacs manual constantly based on click trails (I assume), and that information is immediately available to all Google users (for some reasonably short value of "immediate"). > (Btw, "mechanically" and "intelligently" contradict each other.) No, they just apply to different facets of the solution: "intelligent" refers to the design, "mechanical" to the implementation.