From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:44:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87bnmtbcw5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <87k31ki3tc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83zjafpu3b.fsf@gnu.org> <87d27b5hu0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83a92fow6r.fsf@gnu.org> <21656.62195.233339.678762@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <5a15d51d-e061-4b28-a06e-69e39058b8fa@default> <21657.35538.656125.769730@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877fxh6ajd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419419408 21789 80.91.229.3 (24 Dec 2014 11:10:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , lennart.borgman@gmail.com, adatgyujto@gmail.com, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 24 12:10:01 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3jpH-0002Jr-Cu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:09:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47740 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3jpG-0005K9-Iy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:09:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57121) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3jpD-0005K4-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:09:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3jpC-0002oa-EZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:09:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3jpC-0002oU-BL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:09:54 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46290 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3jpB-0004M9-44; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:09:53 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CD341DF323; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:44:26 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <877fxh6ajd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:34:14 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180635 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Eli's argument may be persuasive because, after all, his proposals are > good for Emacs much of the time, and I wanted to point out that the > generalization from getting it exactly right for one person to doing > pretty well for everyone is logically invalid in this case. Well, Emacs Info is catered to one purpose: getting it pretty much exactly right for a very limited set of tasks is an attainable goal. Getting all HTML browsers exactly right for the same set of tasks is much harder since it's rather vaguely right for several orders of magnitude more tasks. Emacs is a platform, and it supports doing Info in a manner very much tied into the platform. HTML+Browser vaguely is also a platform, but hand-catering it to a particular task, particularly given a multitude of unknown browsers and language standards, is much more fuzzy. And compared to HTML/JavaScript/whatever, Emacs Lisp is remarkably concise, efficient, well-defined and clear. -- David Kastrup