From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bloat in the Emacs Windows package Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:41:37 +0200 Message-ID: <87bm0xogz2.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <87v9zcczlf.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83imvacuva.fsf@gnu.org> <878sw6qgbb.fsf@telefonica.net> <87imv521li.fsf@russet.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="251788"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 22 23:43:09 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hIgiT-0013OI-0b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:43:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44617 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIgiR-0003eW-VM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:43:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51911) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIghh-0003eC-GU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:42:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIgh9-0007Gr-Q5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:41:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=51232 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIgh9-0007G0-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:41:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hIgh4-0011tv-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:41:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ljesow0ZcLCl/pD5lvN1xjrjiOY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:235790 Archived-At: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: >> We have the no-deps package, but with dozens of MB of debug info and a >> duplicated large binary. I doubt this benefits 0.1% of the Emacs user >> base. And that benefit is just a minor convenience for them. > > I made the no-deps package to address your use case -- when you have the > dependencies already. Size was not my primary concern. In my view the no-deps is geared towards those who just want to edit text. It is great to have image support, but I'm sure many Emacs users don't really care. A different thing is the lack of grep/find, though. >> And then we have the issue with general bloat in IT and the associated >> waste. I feel morally obligued to not contribute to that waste. > > I agree that this is morally correct; but then so is producing free > software which is competitive with non-free software. I do not believe > that an Emacs incapable of loading jpgs or using its own package manager > securely fulfils that objective. See above. However, I was referring to the debug info and emacs.exe duplication, not to the accompanying software that goes with the no-no-deps.