From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Starting the Emacs 27 release cycle Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 01:47:01 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87blswyk8m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <83r21yttok.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhgm18wf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="12709"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 28 01:17:51 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ia7VF-00034j-Jh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 01:17:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44312 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ia7VE-00065o-51 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:17:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37847) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ia7U2-00065g-CJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:16:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ia7U1-0001ia-2M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from black.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.19]:60181) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ia7Tz-0001ak-3c; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:16:31 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76A72C201A; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-86-105.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.86.105]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1E0162C219F; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:16:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a94.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:16:28 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Descriptive-Juvenile: 28618b550a5bdb19_1574900188401_3256605528 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1574900188401:4276840641 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1574900188401 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE63E9C477; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:16:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=DzuXdo0iUOoTOVU1jhOhufjhV5A=; b= iiWwzQtocCbMnGpZlSxUKPb3BeiIL9O5mWhGTeQGvvAP2Ylqy0nefNlJMhXVdZxR MjJJmXDv8fNrWI8oFY1gHw40vdTBunCIrLxrMXxwCIz1TqG7S7ni+SGZNcekDT7M /L4dFuJMskIv1U2Gr34WOKjYVuCHhfa6oppqzTfIFxg= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-96-42.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D45E69C481; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:16:20 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a94 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:49:54 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 23.83.212.19 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242815 Archived-At: >> PS: I also have an unfinished implementation of more fancy looking tabs >> with rounded corners that would take more than 2 weeks to complete >> but this is of lesser importance and thus has lower priority. > > That sounds very nice, and will help Emacs look more modern and user > friendly. Is there any way to make an exception to include this on > the Emacs 27.1 branch? It's hard to imagine that it would drastically > affect the stability of that branch, in my opinion. OTOH, of course, > this is a slippery slope. Please shoot my idea down if it's not > wanted. These fancy looks with rounded corners should not be overrated. They have their disadvantages: fancy curves take screen space on both sides on every tab, thus less tabs fit into the tab bar than now. I guess this is the reason why web browsers and other editors abandoned curves for square shapes. Chromium uses rounded corners only for the current tab, and no shapes at all for other tabs, just separates them by a vertical bar. Firefox uses a square shape for the current tab, and no special styles for other tabs, only a vertical separator. So currently tabs in Emacs are already fancier than even in Chromium and Firefox.