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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247444 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual documents the use of buffers > from Emacs Lisp. Operating on them with C code is a different matter. I wasn't referring to how buffers can be operated from C code. I was referring to how buffers are an integral part of the Emacs Lisp *language*, and not some hypothetical "standard library". I was also referring to how the Eintr explains how buffers can be manipulated from Lisp code quite well.