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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254948 Archived-At: > Actually shorter videos maybe 10 mins is enough. Specially if they add li= nks to the manual sections related to the topic and how to access it either= from emacs and on the web. Would it also make sense to add links to the videos (or relevant wiki page) from manual itself? Best, Ihor Ergus writes: > On September 9, 2020 5:04:57 PM GMT+02:00, "G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp" wrote: >>On 2020-09-09 14:22 +03, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development >>discussions. wrote: >>> Would it not be better to have a "guided tour" (something like C-h t, >>> but shorter and more "modern") for first-time users (those without a >>> .emacs / .emacs.d)? This is quite common in "modern" software, so it >>> would not surprise anyone. >>[...] >>> (In fact, it would perhaps make sense to create a few guided tours, >>> with an initial question "Are you a programmer? a scientist? a >>> teacher? a writer?" with which the set of options could be narrowed.) >> >>Why not instead just have nicer introductory material? E.g. videos that >>walk through initial customisation for different setups, that discuss >>and explain things, talk about tangents. >> >>This actually is produced by the community, but it=E2=80=99s scattered ar= ound >>YouTube. We could ask prolific producers to prepare 20-30min videos >>for >>some particular setup, showing how to get going with Emacs in that >>particular niche. >> >>The wizard idea from another thread is nice, but I=E2=80=99m not a fan of= a >>whole guided tour. Most probably people would want to skip it. A >>blocker just as your first boot a program is not nice. >> > > Yes I think that more, better and organized set of videos could be much e= asier to produce. There are actually some emacs video series already. We ju= st need to organize the links and refer them in the site.=20 > > Actually shorter videos maybe 10 mins is enough. Specially if they add li= nks to the manual sections related to the topic and how to access it either= from emacs and on the web. > > >> >>-- >>=C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / >>pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427 > > --=20 > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.