From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:35:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34002"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 08:37:22 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRUyv-0008kj-4B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:37:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49354 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRUyu-0004sg-7M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 02:37:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58812) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRUxV-0004Pr-2D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 02:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:48448) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRUxS-0006Zx-42; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 02:35:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=H4BwjwuUqfrLuLEyvsJ7jqWlLcMjUGeNfbldR9hc7Bg=; b=R+4rg0LdYBAowuaevkg5PYAKdZ dw/g3/GIIRL58n4p9mw/q0IdHcTs74o8V4SNIdMNvVwwsIhwFzL60YTnnyxXtxIJ1Y3FsutsjhlCO R4Ee7zrcVwOFXC4fzfj36SUgihFvjgrmCp2LZwYxqhQuC5b7rd1weaWIwt+qIS7hMunE=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRUxI-0006UK-AP; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:35:46 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEUIBgNGSVskIy5n epy/0+D///8bBB/0AAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+QKCwYgHFm4aMsAAAGlSURBVDjLlZPr laMwDIWFMwVgmwKMSQERUgM5Vv817ZUddsiEPWdH+QP6oteVIPq1TXHYB1hrt/UDbP+MiDGtL1DL dapJ235KJcPwuJjZd8zGkvEDmOC3+aLdG/ytg1rf+xNWB8FrnkGO8zIXCuWdhOS1EzI2tH8CG2ev Uby3+gKrMHrdATjPJGb72kFVswfd96zWphLQ3bO6BqEiBdPt6SCicrQ2AgagmAVly9KQwKQcAG2K GNfJOtDHAM9QqOaM+b46aAtACZ6p0ubpS1hEh2aBoRGvMwbpymoHMmNQD9UnpPK5aXP/vs10Fx9Y raApX+OqPqciQ3OQ7fFKhQiJiuDNS4ns5bXyjNbvJgDsBMsOUG93lSnoAC43zyOUjmx4V5jJTvkA ExpGPeBWYwc6ABTwK7o5oJqCFDQzdt+vC8D6w0J5gCmN80EE+6OyaKPvgzvArXftS/57HioR/7sP fz7fdXTgc7SY5Ay6FpP7Y2b6adChSVx2+iT4Fvjt0zn8TSXFcpVKYuVPQGsqIV8BV6XxlRubugZL X+SFbf1SrwAn+g/7A3/eY6An34HAAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTEwLTExVDA2OjMy OjI4KzAwOjAwDA0nnQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0xMC0xMVQwNjozMjoyOCswMDow MH1QnyEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Kraftwerk's _Electric Cafe_: "Techno Pop" In-Reply-To: <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:28:22 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257345 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > We cannot just switch to variable-pitch font and leave the rest > unchanged. Using a variable-pitch font will cause an annoying > horizontal movement of the mode-line stuff when some parts change. > For example, moving in the buffer will change the column and line > numbers, and everything to the right of that will as result shift > slightly in the horizontal direction. The line numbers aren't that big a problem -- the number of digits rarely change, and all the numbers are the same size in most variable pitch fonts that are in use for this stuff. I don't use column number mode, but I switched it on now, and that seems fine to me, too. > So to use variable pitch fonts here (and in any other tabjlar > display), we'd need to use 'align-to' display properties to keep the > other parts from moving. After playing with this stuff for half an hour, the only thing that seemed vaguely disturbing was the U:** stuff at the start. Adding an align-to after that would get us most of the way there, I think. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no