From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gnus-group-read-ephemeral-search-group -- Something Changed? Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2020 09:35:11 -0800 Message-ID: <87blg93wa8.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <20201106162239.1E8ECC20DCB@raman-glaptop.localdomain> <87wnyy5rkh.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k0uy5oe6.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87sg9l4tp4.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26816"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 07 18:36:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kbS8L-0006tL-M7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2020 18:36:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbS8K-0002hn-Or for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2020 12:36:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbS7Q-0001sY-Kx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2020 12:35:16 -0500 Original-Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:56072 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbS7O-0003X9-Pq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2020 12:35:16 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (24-113-150-48.wavecable.com [24.113.150.48]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31E4AFA0B0; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 17:35:13 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1604770513; bh=Ic9tfh0cWU2ImONHr8VCwlZlfHE2cuZg7cygPDhTPTA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=OFUE3o7Udtl5PYdJqrsUIarwFWVS5fGqrbRxAxklT4mxIMeo69UfvOMxXA2CLzfMl +dD+bHHrhA0nqBy8yslPJVOYRR4wuCd8df2+8JVWjLhtl8RlbYsnT0fkYSP/eASCej IaPSpOM8yjhMHj87KThbq++HMCSPGiiqEfXonB28= In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 07 Nov 2020 01:33:12 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=52.70.2.18; envelope-from=eric@ericabrahamsen.net; helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/07 12:24:57 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258874 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> There are downsides to being an early adopter (the earliest)! Hopefully >> sailing will be smoother here on out. > > I'm talking about things I don't know, but seeing this exchange from the > back of the room gives me the impression that maybe gnus-search should > try and signal a more user-friendly error in his case rather than expose > a "no applicable method" that doesn't seem immediately related to > his settings. I'm definitely coming to the same conclusion. No user should ever see a "no applicable method" error.