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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273971 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes writes: > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > >> [...] but in fact I believe that the "slow", unfamiliar,=20 >> peculiar, >> old-school whatever-you-want-to-call-them methods used in Emacs >> development may in fact be "aces up our sleeve", not just a=20 >> means to >> appease those that have been using them for a number of years. > > I couldn't agree more. There are historical (and technical)=20 > reasons for > the Emacs development being the way it is. From my point of=20 > view, the > point of view of an enthusiast and absolute beginner, I've=20 > matured > respect and appreciation for the modus operandi of this=20 > community. I > acknowledge that "easy" options are often illusions. > > I don't think Emacs cultivates "elitism". But it does require > proficiency, which is only sensible. If getting more people on=20 > board > entails lowering the bar, then Emacs would be subscribing to=20 > "worse is > better". Emacs doesn't stand for that, and it's not on a race. 1+ I also want to add some personal thoughts about "old" vs. "young /=20 new" in this respect. I've only used emacs for about one year (had been using vim for=20 like 10 years before that), so all the "old" emacs way of doing=20 things (both usage and development) have been in fact very new and=20 shiny to me, but as it turns out overall I very much prefer these=20 "old" ways than the new ways that are older for me :) =2D-=20 Best, Yuchen PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIEEARYIACkWIQRH+dBQHhGIeZBASUEhJn6T74bf0AUCYTQFCAscaGlAeXBlaS5t ZQAKCRAhJn6T74bf0BEgAPoCrN0AEKQFideVqvvUsrTImU1ppbsTYqUmNCWdyK5c fQD/d5ZkYnJVvBZUOD85Zc9DGtb2bi+R65zGO1/+Cgi3xQA= =NrWW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--